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Whenever I hear anybody talking about teams primed for relegation the summary seems to be that people would be glad if Wigan Athletic went down because they don’t usually pack their stadium out. Arguments about football clubs lacking supporters isn’t anything new, it’s been rattling on for years since teams like Wimbledon were in the top division, but what are the reasons for a clubs lack of support ? Does a lack of support really justify other supporters sticking their nose up at smaller clubs ?

For anybody reading this piece who doesn’t know anything about Wigan, let me fill you in on some history. In the 1992/1993 season (When the Premier league was formed) Wigan finished 23rd in Division Two. That’s below teams such as Mansfield Town, Leyton Orient and Stockport. As a consequence, Wigan were relegated into Division Three for the next season. Since that time however, the Latics have had a meteoric rise through the divisions to become an established Premier League team. It’s one of the reasons that the team doesn’t have a huge fan base- because they’ve come a long way in a relatively short time. If it was decided tomorrow that Barnet should be in the Premier League, I don’t think they would suddenly find an extra 40,000 fans every week. Fan bases have to be developed naturally.

Wigan’s location geographically has never helped with attracting fans . Currently, in the Premier League, 8 teams including Wigan reside in the North-West. Wigan are competing for fans against the likes of Manchester United and Manchester City. It’s a big ask for any team to draw fans away from a world renowned club like United, but for a team like Wigan who are situated in arguably England’s biggest Rugby League town, it’s an even harder mission.

The arguments about a lack of supporters at certain clubs are childish and don’t really hold up to scrutiny. If teams are to be rated by the amount of supporters they have, how do we get to judge what is acceptable ? For example, last year at Wembley, England U-21’s played Portugal U-21’s. The attendance that evening ? 33,833. That’s not even close to half of Wembley’s capacity, but should we cancel all U-21 fixtures for the foreseeable future ? Of course not !

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a team like Wigan, packing out every home game, but being realistic, that isn’t going to happen over the course of a season or two. So, other fans need to stop being snobby and accept the level of support that some teams have. That’s the way it is, so deal with it. Just don’t use it as an excuse to rubbish another team.

Call me an old romantic but I’d much rather have a team that earns their right to be in the top division by going through each division one by one, like Wimbledon did in the 70’s and 80’s, instead of people like Sheikh Mansour and his Manchester City ‘project’. Wigan don’t have many fans, but I wish people would think for a second of the reasons behind it. Football needs teams like the Wigan’s and Wimbledon’s of this world. It gives every team hope, and as Andy Dufresne said so correctly in the Shawshank Redemption; “Hope is a good thing”

So, next time you hear someone saying how Wigan’s lack of support means that they won’t be missed, have a think to yourself about the reasons why. Personally, I think it’s football snobbery at it’s most blatant.

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Comments

Posted by Ola on 10/08/2010

Nice article. It would be good to see Wigan do well. I think Martinez is a good young manager. But only time will tell
UNITED 4 life

Posted by Jason Cleghorn on 10/08/2010

Who says Wigan doesn't have many fans? I'm a fan all the way from St. Augustine, FL!

Posted by adrian on 10/08/2010

Great article! Support will grow but it will take time - can't happen overnight. Good to see the kids of Wigan now supporting the local team rather than one of Man Utd, Liverpool, City, Everton etc

Posted by Anthony on 10/08/2010

Interesting. I enjoyed reading this. So what that Wigan don't have many fans, it shouldn't detract from their Premier adventure.

Posted by Ian W on 10/08/2010

Great article. Being a Wigan fan I endure plenty of stick about this.

Posted by Naz on 10/08/2010

Very nicely written.

Posted by Paul on 10/08/2010

Excellent article, maybe you should send it into Sky and the BBC as they are the main culprits for at having a go at the smaller clubs like Wigan.
I think Wigan do well for attendances considering their location & history. The population of Wigan is only around 80,000 aswell
As for your comment regarding RL, they can't really be blamed as their attendances are lower than the Football Clubs, and they are at the very top of their game with an illustrious history and no large neighbours.
Well done Wigan Ath, keep it up.

Posted by Ruzz69 on 10/08/2010

Until Premiership places are based on attendances, which is what numpties like Stan Collymore would like to see, teams like Latics should stay in the Premier League. It is the performance on the pitch that counts.
Also Wigan is the only TOWN who has a team in the Premiership as opposed to a city.

Posted by Martin Davies on 10/08/2010

Really good article and something that needed to be said. Could somebody please now send it to the lazy media, especially the BBC, that idiot Collymore, SKY etc as it's getting really boring listening to how few fans we've got and how we're an embarrasment to the 'Greed is Good' League. So embarrassing that we're still there when the likes of 'massive' clubs like Leeds, Forest and Sheffield Wednesday are not (and that's not a dig at those Clubs by the way, they have their own issues.) Oh, and please send it to that clown Brian Reade at the Mirror, who is one of the very worst offenders (not forgetting our very own chairman Mr Whelan by the way !)

Posted by adam gross on 10/08/2010

finally, a well informed and well written piece about wigan's attendance. too often the media are pointing the finger (i.e. match of the day, tabloids) without actually stating the full picture so thank you!

Posted by John Hamersley on 10/08/2010

Wigan is a Rugby Town - average attendance 15,723. Wigan Athletic average attendance 17,884. Eh? Latics - terrible fans, sparsely supported, embarrassing. Latics unwelcome in Premiership. Blackpool - Bloomfield Road on promotion capacity 11,00. With extension 16,000. Packed. Blackpool "Great support" -Fortress Bloomfield. Now I have nothing against Blackpool, they have been great and I applauded them off the pitch after the hammering they gave Wigan at home, but they are actually not quite as numerically well supported as Wigan (at home anyway). The only crime that Wigan have committed and the reason they are seen as poorly supported is because Dave Whelan had too much ambition and built a 25000 seater stadium. If had been 15,000 it would have been a home stronghold and a forbidding place for away teams to visit. Should 'small' teams be derided for ambition too? Fed up with this thread.

Posted by The Old Shevingtonion on 10/08/2010

Well I very well constructed & thought out article, the so called big club fans who laugh at the likes of Wigan Athletic are usually the pub bores & The Sky spud couch clientele.
Football supporters support their club, it doesn't matter to them what the crowd is as long as they are in attendance, it’s the club that counts.
It must be superb for Wigan Athletic fans to come up thro’ the divisions and see what fabulous progress has been made, good luck to them and their ilk, its good to see and warms the cockles of a old football mans heart.

Posted by Dazzalatic on 10/08/2010

Great article, and says what us fans have been saying for years, when the number of people through the turnstiles every 2 weeks affects the number of points you get then i'll start worrying, until then i'll still go on supporting the best YOUNG football club in the country.

Posted by Aspull Blue on 10/09/2010

A very well written piece. It never ceases to amaze me how the muppet glory hunters from our beloved town take great pride in ridiculing our proud Football club. The way they loyally go and buy a shirt from a sports shop and renew their sky tv subsciptions to pledge their phoney allegiance that gives them some sort of boost in their miserable existance. Collymore? didn't he give Ulrika a black eye and wasn't he a shareholder at a car parking chain? why do these tossers get to have an opinion on our club? What does he know about us?

Posted by onyeakusi chuddy on 10/09/2010

Ian
Looks like you are suppose to keep enduring sticks, how would support a potential championship club you had better move over to champions CHELSEA.
Once a chelsea fan always a chelsea fan

Posted by TR Hendricks on 10/11/2010

I like having Wigan in the Premier League.

Growing up in a smaller city in the Western United States; Grand Junction, Colorado to be exact, it is wonderfully refreshing, and heartening a club like Wigan can be in the top flight. It gives the rest of us who do not happen to live in "Alpha" and "Beta" world cities HOPE. Hope that sometimes the little guy can win. Hope that the big time can come to your neighborhood and you do not have to sink hundreds of pounds, or dollars, to go see the big time.

With hearing that some of the "Big" clubs are now having major solvency problems, I really wonder how someone could have the crass nerve to state a small club should not have a right to the top fight just because said side lacks a 50 year "past" history and a giant demographic pool. Wigan seems to have a good owner and one of the most likable gaffers in the game.

Besides, Wigan keeps the game interesting... Go Latics!

Posted by Matt B on 10/11/2010

I became a Wigan fan when I saw a replay of their Carling Cup final against Man U in '06. I went on to read more about this unknown team and saw they, as you put it, rose through the ranks so quickly and efficiently. I love an underdog and I love grit. To me, The Latics represent what I love about sport.

And, we're not the only ones who like this club...http://www.savingfeelsgood.co.uk/news/article/item_100203.htm

Latic fan from Indianapolis, IN, USA!

Posted by Jack on 10/12/2010

Great article, I agree as well with clubs earning the right to get to the premier league. I have been a Man City fan all my life, so I was angered by the comment about the owners. Are you saying that because we got investment after being an established Premier league club we now don't deserve it? I still remeber going to games in the third tier to see City play, when Maine Rd was packed regardless who we played. We fought our way back to the top flight so it is harsh to turn round and say we don't deserve our place. As for the investment itself, I feel that getting a new wealthy owner is a lottery, in the way that there is no gurantee that your club will be bouhgt or run properly afterwards. I like our owners because they are not all talk and are investing not just in the team but the surrounding area of Manchester which can hardly be said about many other club owners in football.

Posted by Gurdit on 10/12/2010

Excellent article, mate. :)

I don't for a second buy into the argument that "smaller" teams don't deserve to be in the Premier League. It's just a load of bullcrap. There's no logic in that argument at all.

Posted by John French on 10/12/2010

Absolutely Wigan deserve to be there and in case you didn't notice Wimbledon reformed and after starting from scratch (OPEN trials for players on Wimbledon Common)in 2002 the team entered the Premier Division of the Combined Counties League. The side has since been promoted four times in seven seasons and is currently second in the Conference so they may even return to the FL next year - with bigger crowds.

Posted by ali on 10/13/2010

Big money has too much influence in football, but that's the way it is.

Teams much bigger than Man. City are in lower divisions, like Leeds. If it wasn't for the power of money but the fan base and history it would have been the other way around.

Posted by Gary J Parker on 10/13/2010

Part of the appeal for me about English football is the diversity of the 92 teams in the four divisions. I enjoy League Cup and FA Cup games much much more than UEFA Chumpions League to be honest and a great part of the interest is the potential for giant killing. I watched the old Wimbledon at Plough Lane in the eighties and I loved the contrast to Highbury that I had been to the week before (for a fiver by the way, oh for those days again...)
Fact is, OF COURSE these small teams deserve to be in the league, I despise the new richness of this sport, and long for the old days to some degree. How utterly snobbish and elitist to even think that smaller clubs don't deserve their place in the sun.
Gary from western Canada,
Aston Villa and Bournemouth fan.

Posted by Sau Sharma on 10/13/2010

Before I had even heard of Wigan Athletic, some of my friends, who are ardent rugby fans, had told me of the Warriors, one of the best rugby teams around, so on and so forth. I am completely in agreement with the argument that playing in a largely rugby-following town is not going to help attendance. In spite of all that, I believe that while the fans are important in football, it is the players and their exploits that determine where a club finishes in a season (financial issues such as administration aside). I think Wigan have every right to be in the Premier League, as they have earned it through the effort of their players, managers, staff, and the fans who chose to follow the club.

Posted by namster414 on 10/13/2010

i don't have problems with the so called 'smaller teams' who do not fill out their grounds. what rankles me, honestly, are the fans of some of these teams (not necessarily wigan) who sing songs like "we support our local team". there are many glory hunters in the world, but there are some people who do grow attached to these clubs which lie thousands of miles away, and care about the history. there's a reason for which, as you said some of the bigger clubs attract fans from all over the world.
2ndly, i have problems with teams like manchester city who proclaim to be massive and claim all mancs are blues, yet cannot fill out their stadiums even when they're playing Chelsea or Juventus!
football definitely needs more teams like Wigan who break through the odds and work their way up to compete in one of the toughest leagues in the world. good luck to you guys this season! :)

Posted by Ravi M Rai on 10/13/2010

I am a big, big Liverpool fan. In EPL, Wigan is my second favorite team. I love the way they've risen to the top. I love them because they show true human spirit. They might not be a very big club, but their heart is as big as any top, top team in the world. I hope one day they fill their home and wish they will be able to play in top European Leagues.

Posted by H2 on 10/13/2010

Greetings from Malaysia. I've been supporting Wigan Athletics since 2003. All thanks to the Championship Manager game:) Latics boleh!

Posted by Sam McF on 10/13/2010

@onyeakusi chuddy,

You are telling the author to switch to a team that will not be relegated: First of all, you are not even a fan if you can switch teams and secondly, what if Chelsea are relegated? How does your "once a chelsea fan, always a chelsea fan" mantra work now?

Even if Liverpool goes down this year, I will still be a Liverpool fan. It will be the worst I will have seen Liverpool do, but if we play poor, we deserve to go down. Maybe that's just how real fans support a team.

YNWA

Posted by Bitboy Bob on 10/13/2010

In Wigan's case its a generation thing.
I'm 40 years old and grew up in the outskirts of Wigan. Wigan only came into the professional league when I was 8. By that time I was a big Man U fan and all my friends were United, Liverpool, Everton or occasionally City fans.

I support United but follow Wigan (want Wigan to win every week unless they play United)- thats probably the best they can hope for in my generation.

Now the kids - that is what they need to get and are doing a great job there. Cheapest in the PL and available where as the regional big 4 are expensive and hard to get tickets for. Kids get a season ticker, then the dads have to go with the kids too. That is building for the future!

Good luck - stay in the Prem and the fanbase will grow!

Posted by sadat ali khan on 10/14/2010

have been a life long gunner but still love the way Wigan play their football... its quite different that that of the stokes and the blackburns et al.
hope they do well... they are a team with a big heart...

Posted by haha on 10/14/2010

Latics fan from singapore... Wigan definitely deserve to be in the premier league!

Posted by yawnysan on 10/14/2010

I loved this article and from the big skies of North Texas I feel your pain. My team FC Dallas have similar support issues despite being the third best team in MLS and unbeaten in 19 straight games.Our problems are due in my opinion to a lack of Front Office leadership, confusing stadium moves,and finally building a stadium an hour away from the city. Like you we have another sport in town which is the local religion (the Dallas Cowboys)and fans from the rest of our league are always giving us crap about are support and how it makes them superior. So I say: you've earned your place and screw them if they have a problem with it!Go Latics! Go Hopps!

Posted by Rudi Delport on 10/14/2010

I'm from South Africa and have always been a massive cricket fan. I've also been interested in the EPL for a long time, but could never justify following one of the big teams. And then one day I saw a news snippet: "Celebrations in the town of Wigan as their football team secured promotion to the top flight".
So I read up on their history.... and decided to support the underdogs.

Then in 2006 I moved to China (no cricket, hardly any football on TV) and somehow managed to share an apartment in one of the most polluted cities in the world with a diehard liverpool fan. His first words: "Dude, I live in Wigan and not even the people in Wigan support Wigan!".

But I stayed true... and as we just survived our second season in the EPL, I got my second shirt (DELPORT - 27 on the back) for my birthday...

Every year people joke, every year we grow. And then we beat Chelsea. AND THEN we smashed Arsenal!!!! PARTY!

And thats the story of the South African Wigan fan in China...

Posted by manacle on 10/14/2010

I think Wigan have a lot more to be grateful for in having a sugar daddy than Man City.
Without sugar daddies Wigan would be probably in League 2 (where they were when Dave Whelan took over) and City somewhere between 5-10th in the Premier League.
Good luck to Wigan but I do find it odd that people see clubs like Wigan, Fulham and Watford bankrolled through the leagues and see it as romantic, whereas when City and Chelsea are bankrolled it is seen as obscene.
It seems to be a case of do what you want as long as you don't disturb the established order.

Posted by Vignesh Nambiar on 10/15/2010

Great article. Not something I have thought about much, other than in terms of expressing disappointment whenever I see a half-empty (or half-full?) stadium. Reading this article could enlighten many football fans.

Posted by Jason on 10/15/2010

Wigan fan out here in Seattle. The reason I started following Wigan was because of their rise and the fact that they weren't one of the huge teams. I love waking up at 7 on Saturdays to watch them (when they're on) and I go bonkers when they actually win (well, scoring, right now, is pretty big, too). I wouldn't get that excited if I were follwoing ManU or one of the other fat cats. Fans will come, it does take time.

Posted by JBM on 10/15/2010

I don't think it's a matter that a poorly-supported team doesn't "deserve" to be in the Premier League, because the club obviously earned its way on the pitch. The problem is, once a "minnow" club makes it to the top, it is not on the same financial footing as bigger clubs that have not only a larger stadium, but packed houses to boot. A team that doesn't draw well doesn't have the wherewithal to compete and ultimately will wind up in a yo-yo pattern of relegation and promotion...although look how many clubs the last few years have struggled after relegation to the Championship.

Posted by Gary on 10/16/2010

I have mulled this over for a long time- it pains me to see Leeds slumming around in the lower depths while I am left watching Wigan-ManU at that tiny joint, the DW Griffith or DUI or whatever the hell they call the place that even the New England Revs would fill most games. Leeds Man United-now that game would get me up on a Saturday morning if they could get back to the Premier League. I don't mean that Wigan doesn't deserve their place in the sun- I guess it is an indictment of the crappy way teams like Leeds and Coventry and Derby are run that they get good attendance and still manage to blow the club up, when they should be trying to get into Europe instead of heading to Scunthorpe for a thrilling midweek match. Of course watching Chelsea lose to Wigan would be great. Watching Newcastle last year was painful, especially when you see the kind of numbers they get at the gate even in Tier II. Thankfully, they are back. I like the big teams playing each other -what can I say?

Posted by gee on 10/16/2010

If you need a way of venting frustration, then writing an article is a good way. Wigan's lack of supports may very well because of your description. But don't use another team as a bad example.

Man city and Man U have a large fan base, a global market and because of that they can burn a larger hole in their pocket, but please remember their popularity, or notoriety, do attract the attention of good( and expensive) player to EPL. and this in some way benefit Wigan, which i have no doubt will become just like them soon.

There are many roads to ROme, wigan just decide to take the longer route, no shame in that, but it does't mean you can use it as an excuse for your condition.

EpL is a big business, and expects the participants to contribute in a big way. Dont hate the player, hate the game.

Posted by juice19 on 10/18/2010

the only reason this issue occurs is because of the premier league spending a billion dollars each summer on transfers and because its trying to keep the reputation of being the best league in the world. We see the same thing in La Liga. Too much money spending and buying these big names is something smaller clubs cant afford to do. They are homegrown boys or scouted through the ranks and they create the name for the team, the way football should be. Now Im a Bayern Munchen fan and im not saying we dont spend stupid amounts of money, but the Bundesliga has the highest attendence in Europe and you see every stadium packed in because each game is 50-50. in the premiership you have the same teams finishing in the top half just in different order each year. the bundesliga, Mainz who was predicted to be relegated was undefeated until last week and is in second place. Bayern is in 10th. There isnt competition anymore, yah occasionally theres a shocker in the prem but will ChelseaManU notwin?

Posted by Simba on 10/18/2010

What about Middlesborough? They've always had poor attendances when in the premier league. Is it because they are just crap?

Posted by Stephen Cousins on 10/19/2010

"instead of people like Sheikh Mansour and his Manchester City ‘project’"

Really? A Wigan correspondent that forgot that in 98-99, City were playing against Lincoln City and Macclesfield Town in Division 2? Or that in as late as '02 City were in Division 1? Fact is City brought more people to the playoff final against GILLINGHAM than Wigan averaged at home the whole season. If Dickov scoring an extra time equalizer to send the game to PK's is "buying your way to the premiership", then guess I'm proud to support a team that's bought their glory. Of course Wigan deserves their place, just like Blackpool does and Burnley did last year, but what a ridiculous and unwarranted pop at City, a team who has had to claw back from ridiculous boardroom conflicts, managerial change, and crap football, but whose fans have supported them through a half decade in the lower leagues since the beginning of the premier league. It's a cheap shot, and, more so, completely historically inaccurate.

Posted by Alex on 10/23/2010

Being a colombian raised in New Jersey, I have a unique perspective on Wigan as an institution. The notion that they would give a talented but relatively unknown such as Hugo a shot at a full time position, and not letting him run-off to a "top four" team, shows that the club is willing to field top talent and maintain their position in the EPL. Will it be tough? absolutely! With the top teams in the EPL moving nine figures a year, it requires really ingineous coaching and management.
In baseball, I'm a yankees fan, but I live in the Tampa Bay area and root for the local team, the rays, when they don't play the yanks. I am familiar with the high quality of product they have fielded here with about a third of the budget or fan support the yankees or the redsox have. Big clubs, like liverpool, will always attract yankee and redsox type money (and this is no mere conjecture), but wigan will hopefully be the little team that beats them all with savvy, much like the baseball rays do here.

Posted by Don Muddiman on 10/30/2010

The sad truth is that sports are a business, and the rich men who own sports clubs want to have their cake (association with athletes and macho enterprises) and eat it (that is, profit) too. The NFL gets away with it because of its television contract, virtually no other league in the world (including La Liga, and the Premiership) is as fortunate. The conflict is between a competitive league, where every game is interesting, and making money. Man U and the Yankees have a lot in common. They are both good for the bottom line and bad for their sport.

Posted by Ian on 01/19/2011

Good article, but what you omit to say is that Wigan has a population of 80,000, just about the same as the capacity of Old Trafford. To get around 20,000 fans a week is pretty good as it's 25% of the town's population. Man Utd would need crowds of half a million to compare.

Wigan are the best supported team in the Premier League (based on percentage of population)!

Posted by Steve Balmer on 01/19/2011

Fantastic! Someone finally gets it!
I spend my life explaining to people that if Rochdale/Hartlepool/Macclesfield etc. got into the Premier League, they wouldn't get the crowds.
I'm glad you mention Wimbledon. They are the only club that we can really compare ourselves with (quick rise from non-league football to top flight), and look at the crowds they got.
Well done.

Posted by dszza on 02/08/2011

Im a Wigan fan and im in Australia. Come on Wigan get behing your club!!

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