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Quite a few replies to my first blog criticised me for my decision to stop going to Old Trafford after the Glazer takeover, with this one being my favourite:
"Daniel, please stop using the word 'we' when discussing Man Utd. You lost that priviledge [sic] when you gave up your support for nothing more than an owner change. An owner who despite creating a massive debt (which they are paying off) has done nothing but give SAF free reign to do as he pleases and in doing so brought an s-load of trophies. Get over yourself and stop embarrassing 'us'. We don't miss your type."
Initially, I resisted the urge to reply in terse terms, but this past week I've got to stop chastising myself for my uncharacteristic reticence in illustrating why I'm right.
Prompting me was the closing of a transfer window in which United have managed to collect an enormous sum of money and not address the weaknesses in the squad, despite a need so obvious it has spent the last three months in a fluorescent cheerleader outfit singing "I am a need and I am obvious" to the tune of "Glory Glory Man United". Given that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers also left a chunk of their allocated budget for the draft unspent, despite a roster requiring similar reinforcement, this was not at all surprising.
But this kind of anecdotal speculation didn't work last time, so let's put it away, along with the bleeding heart, butchered heritage sentimentalism that was equally unsuccessful, and try a drier way of making the point. Here are some figures to make Jerome Kerviel wince.
United is jointly owned by two companies. In the last financial year, one of these - Red Football Limited - lost around £26.5m! Now I'm not a frequent user of exclamation marks, but I think you'll agree that astonishing fact merits one, and here's another. Red Football is a wholly owned subsidiary of Red Football Joint Venture, whose accounts for 2008 show a deficit of £42.7m!
During that period, United won the league and the European Cup. Yes, despite enjoying their most successful season in a decade, the club lost money - lots of it. Essentially, most of what it makes, plus a load it doesn't make, goes to pay off the interest - not capital - on the debt incurred by the Glazers in buying it in the first place. In a convenient quirk of the financial system that has served us so very well, they're permitted to borrow from the banks to acquire United, before using the assets of the club - gate receipts, player sales, telly money, merchandising, television rights and the rest - to pay them back.
But that isn't all. In 2013, the club will have to find £75m to pay off the debt, plus interest on the amount still outstanding, and £150m for the next three years after that, also plus interest, making the total amount of senior debt £575m. £425m of that is secured against the assets and undertakings of Manchester United Football Club, even though the loan was made to Red Football.
And still it gets worse; there are also some very cute pay-in-kind (PIK) notes, the compound interest on which rolls up in its tidy, rounded, lovable way, at 14.25%. These are carried by Red Football Joint Venture. As of last month, the total amount of debt attached to them is chilling at the £205m mark, and by maturity in August 2017, it'll have gently nosed its way up to a simply delectable £597m. Don't you just love Glazernomics?
Making the kind of money needed to service this debt is utterly unforeseeable, although if United were able to negotiate their own television deal, that would help a bit. But there's no way a majority of league members would ever accede; breaking the collective sale agreement would increase the gulf between the very top and the rest (although maybe they'd mind less if in exchange they got a competition with no relegation).
Examining the current agreement on legal grounds could, perhaps, circumvent this problem. Any serious challenge would have a decent chance of succeeding in the European court, which tends to frown on arrangements controlled by an effective cartel. If this happened, the results for the game in England would be disastrous.
Alternatively, and if other clubs were amenable, United could leave the Premier League and join a pan-European super league. This would actually be a good idea if it comprised only champions and replaced the current Champions League format, but if instituted to replace domestic competition, it would be, to steal Will Self's phrase, the diarrhoea icing on the sh*t cake.
The only other hope the Glazers have to get out of the hole they and the banks have dug is that someone of quite unfeasible richness comes along and takes the hit of the debt, and as a supporter, I suppose I'd just about prefer United to be a toy rather than a pension.
Otherwise, it'll be time to give Mickey Thomas a ring.
In the meanwhile, every conceivable revenue stream is maximised, which is a bit like me throwing a punch at Brock Lesnar. Transfer market parsimony aside, the most obvious example of this is in admission prices, which have increased by over 40% since the takeover. So along with those who left on principle, there's now an additional tranche who've been priced out, their match-going as past tense as Mr Praline's parrot; no longer is there a simple, single statistic by which devotion to the red cause can be measured.
Now as kids, everyone was told to look after the pennies and the pounds would look after themselves, which may have worked in terms of cola bottle acquisition, but is less a truism when the pounds are denominated in hundreds of millions. Nonetheless, United are doing their best, leading to an arrangement with a ticketing website. Season ticket holders unable to attend a particular game are able to list their seats on the internet, and if they are sold, a portion of their money is refunded. Although the ticket has been bought back for below face value, it is then sold on at significantly more than that, in a virtual environment that is a footballing Hamsterdam.
In the week leading up to the Arsenal game, there were 14 pages of tickets available. Ok it's early in the season, and it was Arsenal, not Liverpool or City, but that would still have been inconceivable until recently, and is a pretty good indication that the levee is beginning to break. Sign o' the times mess with your mind, baby.
The game itself was good and bad. Excluding Berbatov was cowardly, although no doubt when Fergie dropped the bombshell he pulled it out of the air on the tip of his toe and killed it stone dead it in one fluid movement. His non-selection - at home, nearing top form, and with one of the opposing centre backs unused to marking players as good as him and Rooney - makes you wonder if he'll ever be allowed to participate in any big games. Instead, the latter will be subjected to interminable afternoons flogged alone up-front like Van Nistelrooy before him, losing his temper, his hair and his youth.
Talking of team selection, for the last few years, the private messageboard of Redissue, one of United's fanzines, has run a prediction league in which people attempt to guess Fergie's starting eleven for each game. So far this season, including the Charity Shield, there've been four rounds, and out of sixty competitors each time, there've been three correct entries, none of them for last week's game.
Reflecting on the match itself, although the first half wasn't great, it certainly wasn't the one-sided annihilation suggested by some. United crafted two decent chances - one at the beginning and one at the end - as well as three excellent situations, all of which were wasted by Giggs. Arsenal passed the ball better, but weren't exactly shimmering with menace. Arshavin was the only player likely to create anything, and his goal was deserved, but for the quality of the strike rather than any mesmerising dominance until that point.
It was in the first few minutes of the second half that Arsenal really looked sharper. Passing the ball incisively for the only period in the game, although not fully pulled down, United's trousers were certainly hovering around the knee. But credit where it's due - they didn't flinch, taking the opportunity to show off the size of their testicles, handing Arsenal a bout of stage fright.
Fergie, on the other hand - if you'll permit me to extend the metaphor - had a bad case of shrinkage. Rather than go for it after the equaliser, he went to bring on Park - acceptable in replacing the execrable Valencia, but not the attacking change needed to exploit the shift in momentum against notoriously flaky opposition. Talking of Valencia, it would be wrong not to mention how hunky he looks in his new shrinkfit shirt, sleeves tight and short, moulded around the contours of his biceps. ¡Qué un hombre!
Anyway, before the change could be made, Diaby - who showed some interesting skills both before and after his ridiculous error - glanced in the decider. After that, even though United were dicey as riley defensively, Arsenal rarely threatened. In a way, this indicates that the three points were merited, going to the team stronger at the crucial moments and good enough to retain the advantage. Of course not having Manuel in nets also helped, but Arsenal had their chance before that. You come at the king, you best not miss.
That isn't to say all is rosy, because it isn't. Rooney, Evra and Fletcher are in outstanding form, Berbatov has played well when selected, and Nani's improving (funny what a run of games can do, eh Alex?). The rest of them have largely been making up the numbers.
Couple of other things I thought I'd mention. Despite Wenger's sour reaction to the defeat, I felt elements of sympathy for him twice last week. His sending off was, of course ridiculous, although I was confused by Keith Hackett's grovelling apology, stating that the officials should have taken into account how little time remained on the clock. The laws governing this element of the game must be similar to those governing derby fixtures, in which violent tackling is permitted, provided it occurs in the opening minutes.
With regard to the Eduardo controversy, there seems very little doubt he dived. But for banning him to be fair, the basis on which players can be charged for deceiving the referee need to be uniform and explicit. If there are no objective standards, then it's not reasonable for those that attract most publicity to be punished. Currently, it appears that if the referee sees the offence, it's a yellow card, but if he doesn't it's a double red - provided it was followed by requisite fuss. If a player dives to win a free kick on the touchline, that doesn't count, nor do any of the other occasions players lie to the officials to gain an advantage by means other than diving, even though all are covered by the law as it stands.
One last thing for now. Listening to BBC Radio Five Live the other day, I heard a snippet that the new owners of Southampton have stopped giving free match tickets to ex-players and managers. The presenter then went on to say that ex-manager Lawrie McMenemy was unhappy with this, which I found pretty unedifying. Ok, he was once employed by the club and did a decent job, but who's to say he's done more for it that its supporters? If he doesn't have an official role (and even then...), then unless he's seriously skint, he should pay in like everyone else - plenty of whom have less money than he, and none of whom had the privilege of serving the club they love in a professional capacity.
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Posted by Marco Verlmotz on 09/06/2009
Recently I was watching a serial of WWII. Prior to that war Gen Maginot fortified the German-French border hoping to ward off German attacks right at the border. But Hitler said the new war would be fought in a different way. Sure enough the Luftwaffe pounded France and the Maginot line was of zero use. I think Man Utd, are trying to fight future games in a different way which is not bad.
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Posted by Pat Bostwick on 09/06/2009
You're such a... pessimist. I think you need a hug more than anything
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Posted by Anonymous on 09/06/2009
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Posted by Ben on 09/06/2009
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Posted by putra on 09/06/2009
Please dont be like Alan Hansem when United lost 3-0 to aston villa. Im sure you are better than that provided you are a TRUE united fan.
Im sick of having to read people who dont know anything about United, repeatedly saying we MUST use the 80m gained from the sale of ronaldo to buy extra more players(and waste good money)
Tevez is NOTHING. Just another player with lots of energy(to desperately trying to win the ball that he shouldnt have lost)but nothing else. He can only score in the League Cup/FA Cup.
You can just wait until the end of the season or please shut your trap. We dont need people like you.
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Posted by BD on 09/06/2009
Excellent article.
Understand your viewpoint and respect it, but dont necessarily approve.
It is our club after all, irrespective of the owner. And I'd rather they make money off of me and keep the club afloat than cave in to the debts and sell club assets.
Still, no one doubts that they are nothing more than money minded thieves. Even in today's market, the club is likely to fetch much much more than the $1 billion they bought it for.
Anyways, keep up the good work.
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Posted by Hani on 09/06/2009
Very well put, I enjoyed reading that, kind of.
Now, can we make something very clear?
If United do not find some miraculous way to service their debt and continue with whatever plan they have right now - is the club in serious trouble, or is it able to withstand this amazing amount of debt.
Of course assuming that the club stays reasonable successful.
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Posted by Joe on 09/06/2009
3 Premierships, one European Cup, another European Cup final in the last three years, what exactly is the problem? You bemoan that the Glazers seem to be losing money but then complain that they raise prices and don't spend, is your point that they should lose MORE money? I'm confused.
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Posted by Aitchie on 09/06/2009
You don't want to go and watch Man United because the owners borrowed too much, even though you won the league and European Cup.
Ah well, don't go. That'll really help the situation.
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Posted by Ramon Razmirez on 09/06/2009
Haha! Nice one. A rant if ever there was one but very eloquently written. You should rival Mark Payne as the Man Utd correspondent, you know the club inside out it seems. keep up the good work.
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Posted by Styne on 09/07/2009
Excellent piece. Plenty of food for thought for us supporters. Especially liked the last part about what the new Southampton owners did.
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Posted by zane green on 09/07/2009
what an insightful piece, as a 'foreign' man utd supporter in nz, we never get the full story so this was very informative - a great read. one point, like you said about nani having a few games - same can be said for kuszcak(?) - much better than foster but lack of game time for a keeper is suicide. i also felt sorry for arsenal, it seems platini is on a wich hunt for english football and if he had his way the premier league would die and be forgotten - same for blatter, if they are going to examine diving and penalty claims retrospectively that would eliminate 80 percent of european goals....
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Posted by moneygang on 09/07/2009
1st if your not with the club. Than pay your way in, broke bitches.
2nd, you take the good with the bad, you travel and say your a fan. Doesn't make sense. The club has a debt .. But how do you help the club? You pay at visiting venues but that doesn't go to our debt? Does it? Yeah you grew up a fan bit are you really a fan so you know the roster but that's internet shit, your a sucker to fag to be a real fam. Someone gave you a pad and said write your bullshit and you have. But you suck, we owe money but really fans help. Even more call out those f man u stars who help build that debt and don't play with heart. Those guys are like you they get paid ti run their mouths but never give anyone the chance to push your teeth back!
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Posted by Dwight on 09/07/2009
Seriously, you are kidding, right? These are your reasons for not supporting United? Decisions concerning financing leverage? Really? Like you wouldn't talk to your neighbour because he bought his house during the high market and has a large mortgage. He doesn't deserve to own that house, he had to finance too much to get it. Nice try. I'm sorry but the obvious anti-semitism of the FC United supporters is disgusting to me. You can wrap it anyway you like, but we both know the truth.
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Posted by D on 09/07/2009
While the financial numbers you address don't add up, there is another thing that does not add up when people complain using your same facts. This second failure (of which will be discussed below) is what makes me think that complaints are unfounded. First, I don't dispute the numbers that you suggest.
Here is what does not add up. Complaints such as the ones that you articulate typically discuss the debt being secured against the club and then imply that the bubble will burst and the assets of the club will be sold off. However, if the assets are sold off, as implied, than the club is worth nothing. We are all in accord that the Glazer's are in this for the money. Thus, I believe that two possible scenarios exist.
First, the Glazer's have a strategy arranged that will remedy the problem that you discussed. Mainly, selling of a minority stake in the club that wipes out most of their debt or a large majority of it that can then be refinanced. To be continued . . .
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Posted by D on 09/07/2009
Continuing from the previous already lengthy response. The other option: the club goes into administration. Full and complete dismantling of the club will never occur, however. The club is too valuable. The Glazer's have greatly increased its value through the commercial agreements and the other irons they undoubtedly have in the fire of which we know not. Thus, at the moment when the Glazer's have their backs against the wall and the auction will commence, a deep pocket (probably from somewhere in the Middle East) will come in, negotiate a good deal, and pay off the debt. The club will then proceed forward. The Club's value is not in its individual parts. All will be done to avoid selling it as such. The Glazer's know its value and have a plan formulated or the scenario discussed above will occur. I believe this, not because we are so great, but because the club is a business with too much value. Remember the club was debt free before the Glazers. One day that status will return.
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Posted by Nick on 09/07/2009
I didn't bother to read all of your article, but i read enough to realise that you could never have been a real Manchester United supporter because all you're interested in is money and winning! I love Man Utd, and just because of the Glazer takeover (albeit that its at a financial loss) doesn't mean I would stop supporting them or going to games. I am totally against the vast sums of money spent on players these days, especially the amount spent on Ronaldo, and I think its a good thing that Man Utd have spent wisely this transfer window. Ok, they might not win the league, but it won't take my enjoyment out of watching them play and for you to stop going to games on the chance that they might not win the league or have financial difficulties is pathetic, try and write about something worthwhile or get a real job! You're a disgrace to Man Utd fans!
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Posted by NK on 09/07/2009
I kinda agree with you Daniel because numbers don't lie and when you have seen financial behemoths like Lehman, AIG, and others collapse under the ever-increasing weight of excess leverage, I shudder to think what fate waits for my beloved United. Although there would be a few suitors but it would still be very hard to get somebody to trump up in excess of a billion pounds to get control over the club. United are too big a pill to swallow for most billionaires unlike City, Chelsea and all.
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Posted by Master Bait on 09/07/2009
agreing with everything you said.
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Posted by Nanu on 09/07/2009
I love your honesty even though your a manc, and i support chelsea...manchester united are in great danger of going bust and i fear in 25v years they might be like Ferencravos did in Hungary
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Posted by colin shaw on 09/07/2009
perhaps the most objective and well composed article i have sen for some time, as a chelsea fan i like what is happening at OT, i admire your boycott, but your opinion on the game was a little coloured, the wasted pass rate was unacceptable from both teams and i cant wait to play you both. i will read your column again.
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Posted by Jovie on 09/07/2009
While I agree with some of your points, I don't think that that is a reason to stop supporting United. I agree that there are many holes in the current squad which is very disappointing, the amount of debt amassed by the Glazer family is ridiculous and it is a shame that ticket prices have increased by so much. However as a truly loyal Manchester United fan I will continue to support them no matter what. Living in Australia I don't have much opportunity to see them play at Old Trafford, however I have been before and no matter what the Glazer family do or United sign I will support them and try to attend their games as much as possible.
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Posted by Sachin on 09/07/2009
Just wondering why you are still blogging about Manchester United when clearly you are not a proper fan of the club. a fan supports the team no matter what. Which you do not...
And you should also know that Manchester United supporters trust Fergie. If he didn't see the need to buy a high calibre player and trust his squas, who are we to judge him. And I do agree with the fact of not spending ridiculous amount of money, the likes of £40 million plus on player.
You should start blogging on some other team. Shame on you
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Posted by Dan on 09/07/2009
What a whimpering little baby. How on earth did I get tricked into reading this?
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Posted by Larry on 09/07/2009
Daniel,
I'm not so sure I agree with your opinion to boycott Old Trafford but that is your prerogative.
Personally I don't believe that SAF ever had the money from the Ronaldo sale to spend. As you so elegantly pointed out our debt is so massive that even if we win everything on offer we cannot effectively service the interest let alone reduce the capital. It is desirable but unreasonable to expect Man Utd to win the league and reach the champions league final every year but if we don't the financial consequences will be dire. Sadly our current crop of players are not in my opinion good enough for us to compete on either front. We need a striker and winger Berbatov, Owen & Valencia are not the answer.Valencia might as not even be on the pitch & Nani is only average. We need a central midfielder who can pass and probably a center back as cover for the often injured Ferdinand. If the money wasn't available this year what happens next year when it will be really needed.
ciao
Larry
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Posted by Ryan on 09/07/2009
from bashing giggs to SAF - you shown why you shouldn't be at old trafford to begin with. to bad you didn't follow the fanboys to madrid with ronaldo.
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Posted by Nath on 09/07/2009
Just want to ask are the big clubs really so poor? If Man United is in so much of a problem, then what about the others? We know they made a help of money in the 2008 season. Who Really made profit of all of europes big 10.
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Posted by Mike on 09/07/2009
Are you just quoting expenses to make everything seem negative? For christ's sake, do you realize how much revenue United generated every year? They've been the top two clubs to generate revenue every year, they are in a good position to service that debt.
Do you actually think you are smarter than the bankers who actually loaned out 500m? Do you actually think they would lend the money if they think they're not gonna get the money back?
I guess the question is, do you actually understand Finance. Jesus Christ. Gimme a break
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Posted by Ashwin Gowtam on 09/07/2009
Ask yourself this question. It doesnt not make for sound business sense for the glazers to take on a deal which gives them more debt then credit. They are banking on a few years of "struggle" followed by years of domination in football, not to suggest transfer income following the likes of ronaldo, possibly even pogba in the future. perhaps even rooney. Don't forget that Manchester united is also the richest sports franchise in the WORLD. there is a lot of potential you are ignoring in dismissing manchester united financial status.
Also, I must tell you that against arsenal, had he employed the so called "exploit"ive formation against arsenal, considering their past form, it was neccessary.6 goals at EVERTON. 6!
i think u are too dismissive. now, that said, I definitely agree with the points you make for the position u take. im not saying your analysis is wrong. i just feel you dont consider BOTH sides of the issue.the discussion of one side is excellent,but discuss the other2.
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Posted by Mohit on 09/07/2009
Nice insightful writting. liked reading it.
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Posted by ICe on 09/07/2009
hmm..as much as u tried to sound like a financial advisor, putting up so much numbers along with some financial terms...you missed the most important point to the argument.
Given the amount of debts that you mentioned, thought it was using the club as the borrower, what is there to gain for the glazers if this is definite lose lose situation? In what stupid mind would the Glazer be (doubt thats the case, since they are proven businessmen with billions in their CV) to be involved in a deal that they would not gain any financial incentive from and only will bring bad reputation if the club do failled and collapsed as you so confidently suggested with your analysis? Further to that, which bank Chief Risk Officer would sanction such deal if from the offset it is a lose lose deal with the club heading only to administration? Yes the global financial climax has its impact on the club..esp in terms of sponsors..but i dont see how badly it was affected. AIG deal will and was replaced..tbc
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Posted by ICe on 09/07/2009
continue...the deal was replaced by an almost similar sponsors. As much as u complained about the ticket price...i believe it is a fair market decision. Yes..some fans are priced out by the increase in ticket price, but at the same time, why are u ignoring the economical term, that prices are a reflection of the demand. Ever since the Glazer took over, are u implying all the seats are reserved for corporate partners only, and none for the fans? Last seen, it is still full house week in week out at OT. Yes the family run club is gone. IT is very commercialised, but thats Man Utd. If it was not commercialised, do you ever believe that Man Utd is where it is at the moment. Whats the difference the commercialisation status it has now compare to when it was public listed? The BOD during that time are there to make sure it is commercially run. Else i doubt u even will be able to see so much signing for the past 2 decades. IT will just be another Man City before the take over.
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Posted by Robert on 09/07/2009
To be honest, I stop reading when you compared the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to Manchester United about the off season additions. Not the same sport or mind set. In American football you don't build a team to win multiple tournaments. You can't compare cricket and baseball. I don't care how you feel about Manchester United, just don't go comparing apples and oranges just because they are owned by the same person.
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Posted by linc on 09/07/2009
Liked how you slipped in those "Wire" references.
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Posted by steven wijaya,indonesia on 09/07/2009
1st, i think u are not man utd fans, because real fan must want to support his team.and i read all your blog and i don't feel support,just a rant.
2nd,if u are so good why you just be the manager and manage man utd, I want to see how good u can be.
3rd,if you feel can not reach the same success like sir alex. JUST SHUT UP!!! AND START SUPPORT MAN UTD
GLORY GLORY MAN UTD.....
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Posted by ICe on 09/07/2009
So as i all i can said, if Man Utd is really your beloved club, grow with it in terms of reality. You cant ask for growth but not the risk and effects that are bunddle along with it.
Every game Man Utd plays, i have a punt on it. regardless how bad the odds are, i suck it up and still put my money on it. And certainly much are lost there, but never have i bet against Man Utd even very confidently know it will be a losing bet. Just like every loyal fans...even when going through difficult period, we still go watch Man Utd play. Yes, heartbroken with lost, but yet, we perserve along with the club. "WE" are not bandwagon fans nor gloryseeker that many accused us of. Through difficult times on and off the pitch we are still there to support. Even the club is to fall into administration and/or no money to sign any star players in the future, in Man Utd we support, and not change to another better run or star studded club! Glory glory Man Utd!
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Posted by A Red Yank on 09/07/2009
To all of you who question Daniel's right to call himself a Manchester United supporter: you don't get to tell Daniel which team he supports or in what manner he should go about it; that is not your prerogative, thankfully. Like Daniel, I prefer to support United with my eyes open. If, however, the head buried in the sand approach works best for you, then stick with it, but "my club right or wrong" is not the attitude of a "real" supporter.
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Posted by Aseka on 09/07/2009
Man utd are stil da most valuable club in da world.wat of otha clubs?
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Posted by mantown10 on 09/07/2009
Daniel: Do you support FC United of Manchester now?
Dwight: Why are FC United fans anti-semites?
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Posted by fred17 on 09/07/2009
Marco Verimotz laughed at the Maginot line. Gen. Douglas McArthur has pointed out that while he was US Army chief os staff in the early 30s the original concept of the Maginot line was to hold the border while France struck at Germany thru the Lowlands. Typically the French forgot everything but the Nazis remembered and did exactly that.
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Posted by Atish on 09/07/2009
That was quite a lecture on economics. but ur opinion should be respected even if I disagree with your pessimistic appoach. The sports-business empire that Man Utd is was not built overnight. It took efforts and risk from everyone connected to the club. in the barren years of the 80s who could have thought the club who be at the top of the world now. We can only trust that the owners and management are working in the interest of the club, cause if its not the case, they will be digging their own graves. Now on the other side if they fail with the debt, I guarantee you that somebody else would jump in to buy such a special club.
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Posted by Pat on 09/07/2009
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Posted by charlie on 09/08/2009
United debt free a few years ago !!!!!!!!!don't make me laugh. Yes they made a profit....and they still do. No business that size is debt free. You should explain the difference between good and bad debt. Good debt is used for investment. Does anyone honestly believe the Frazers want to lose money? No they don't. Look up the term "Negative Gearing" and you might learn something.They are looking at long term not a quick buck.
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Posted by vspot on 09/08/2009
Some of these comments from United supporters are utterly ridiculous. Too many to mention otherwise i'd dissect and rebuke each and every one of these asinine statements.
Daniel, great article, glad soccernet finally brought in someone who knows his stuff.
I completely agree with you, it's not a matter of spending the 80m just bc we have it. It's very clear to anyone who watches the team with any semblance of objectivity that there are holes in the squad that should've been addressed. I want to blood the young ones just as much as everyone else but this isn't the same league as back in the early 90's with fergie's fledglings and we needed proven reinforcements. As much as I love SAF he can be a slave to his own pride sometimes and his stubborn no more transfers stance was a prime example of this. How can SAF say with a straight face that we won't buy bc transfer fees are too inflated when we ourselves bought Valencia for 17m meanwhile a quality player like Sneijder goes for 15m?
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Posted by Ando8 on 09/08/2009
What really disappointments me is how much you take United for granted. As someone who lives in Oz I may not be the biggest fan as I can't get to games but I still do my bit by purchasing merchandise and watching them play at 3am. It annoys me no end when "fans" of Man Utd would actually boycott the opportunity to watch their team at Old Trafford when there are fans like myself who would die for the chance to go watch their team.
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Posted by Gary on 09/08/2009
Marco Verlmotz: Andre Maginot was Minister of War, not a General, and it wasn't just the Luftwaffe that avoided the Maginot Line. The German offensive drove through Belgium and around the main line of fortifications rendering them ineffective. The speed and weight of the offensive wrong footed the French and British leading to the fall of France in a mere 6 weeks.
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Posted by kevink on 09/08/2009
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Posted by Roshan on 09/08/2009
Unsubtantiated and and doom mongering is what I'd say are your prognostications are on the club's financial future. Using debt as a tool and a medium to buy out large corporations is a fairly successful business model and it is with that in mind that the purchase of United was made in the 1st place. Large sums of debt won't stand for an awful lot if the people that lent the money were convinced in our ability to be able to pay it off no matter what the period and span of time. I don't like this system of borrowing heavily but apparently it does work and for the revenues that we generate in the long term, eventually we'd be able to pay that debt off.
Secondly I can't help but laugh at the ignorant fans who think that losing 2 players, both of whom have had no adverse impact on our general performances over the past season feel that our squad isn't good enough when it's got the most quality in the league and the most depth in Europe. The one who said Kusczak>Foster needs a pat on the ba
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Posted by mks61 on 09/08/2009
The game is irrevocably broken. The Glazers and their ilk are the new BIG MONEY football as a business reality. Given the circumstances I understand why one might boycott.
This season SAF will have to go back to the old way of doing things on the pitch. It may not be beautiful but it just might work. Remember the days when Arsenal had the more gifted players in Henry, Viera, Pires and others. United won on pure guts with Keane and some very opportunistic finishers. Ronaldo is GONE. He was the one player in the Premiership who could win a game on his own. He was sold for a handsome profit. The debt must be serviced!If United are to defend the league, it will be with grit, graft and guts. Is Fletcher up to it?
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Posted by Hazrie on 09/08/2009
I may not have watched Man Utd playing live in front of my eyes. In Malaysia, I do not get that chance even when they got down to play against Malaysia XI during the pre-season.
I've just started to support Man Utd early 1997 and ever since, I have followed this team through and through.
I love this club and when others tell me why Man Utd and not other teams, I said, I believed in it.
What's in the pitch really matters to the most of the supporters. But I see from both ends of the working of the club and on the grass...
I hope the debts that Daniel has mentioned will be settled and we can keep this club alive and through to the next generation of supporters.
Glory Glory Man Utd!
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Posted by Jeremy on 09/08/2009
Daniel
Ignore the comments from those who just don't get what this debt is doing. I mean, without it, every supporter could have been given free tickets since the Glazers arrived and the club would have been run exactly the same (money spent on interest is about the same as gate receipts).
4 days before the Arsenal game, the official site was selling tickets, and was advertising season tickets for sale right up to the start of the season. This has NEVER happened in the 30+ years I've been watching United. And now they continue to push the myth about the waiting list.
It won't be long before people realise that you 'they' are not paying off the debts, we are and can only do so for so long in this current financial climate... personally, I actually hope we have a crap run for a season, as the glory hunters will disappear and the owners will have something really serious to worry about. Then everyone will be asking "What happened to the Ronaldo money"?
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Posted by wan on 09/08/2009
i'll always support man utd no matter what..
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Posted by Dane on 09/08/2009
Ive often dreamed of having the chance to make the trip to old trafford. It is something Ive dreamt about since childhood. I think mancunians and british fans alike dont realize that there are fans from the other side of the globe that love this club and its history as much or more than they do. When I do cross the pond one day for the soul purpose of seeing united, I will be filled with emotion and none of them will be about money or who owns the club. I would think even the most passionate of supporters would feel the same way.
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Posted by doublec on 09/08/2009
Hey. Good piece, except for the review of the match. As an Arsenal supporter I'm not surprised to see a manu fan view things differently, but lets be honest for a minute.
The only time united threatened Arsenal in the game, came when Berbatov and Nani fluffed their chances at the end. It has to be said that Arsenal were pushing up like crazy at those times. Call it stage fright or whatever, but one thing is certain, Arsenal were unlucky.
I was pleased by the gunners performance, and i'm also pleased that all the mancs were satisfied with their teams performance. If that was good, can't wait to see the bad.
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Posted by doublec on 09/08/2009
Hey. Good piece, except for the review of the match. As an Arsenal supporter I'm not surprised to see a manu fan view things differently, but lets be honest for a minute.
The only time united threatened Arsenal in the game, came when Berbatov and Nani fluffed their chances at the end. It has to be said that Arsenal were pushing up like crazy at those times. Call it stage fright or whatever, but one thing is certain, Arsenal were unlucky.
I was pleased by the gunners performance, and i'm also pleased that all the mancs were satisfied with their teams performance. If that was good, can't wait to see the bad.
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Posted by dellelpi on 09/08/2009
All those who critize Mr. Harris for saying what he said and labeling him a non fan should re-think, are you such a fan yourself? Just eyeing on glory and not bother what happen behind the club?
I might be wrong but maybe what Mr. Harris was trying to say is well we won so much for the last few years but MU is using those winning/payout from whatever they had won to pay thier debt..... imagine with no re-inforcement (no spending power = no new players to replacement those that left) how you gonna win more when you best player join another team? So if your glory glory MU dont pass the UCL grp stage and didnt win the BPL, imagine what that means to the coffer? How your beloved MU gonna service those debt or interest? You think your pathetic gate tickets you are paying will help? So, you might wanna reflect on what you had said to Mr. Harris here for those ready to jump on the bandwagon labeling him as a non MU fan.
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Posted by Zurask on 09/08/2009
Heh, nice economic analysis there.
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Posted by King on 09/08/2009
All your points are used (a bit bombastic for me) to cover the fact that the main reasons will make you look bad. You are mad an American owns your previously beloved team and used debt to do it. Wow, he must have been the first to use debt this way. Add on that the yank rose ticket prices forcing you to either stay away and eat steak, or show up and eat ground beef. Why dont you show the % your example owns of the team and what other ventures they are in before you show their balance sheets. Or bring up Forbes recent report showing Man United as the #1 sports franchise in the world at 1.8 billion. Guess those dont help you feel better when you are watching the games at home or the pub. Do all of "us" a favor and jump to the blue of Chelsea. You made your stance, and then saw us reel off 3 years of glory and silverware, and are bitter so you are taking your chance with Ronaldo gone, to join the band wagon of dissidents. Might as well ride that band wagon all the way London.
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Posted by tominsj on 09/08/2009
Ha Ha, only a true Manu(re) fan would think in any way shape or form that they deserved all 3 points from the Gunners.
Your massive blinders make me laugh.
So funny... so sad...
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Posted by dodo on 09/08/2009
i agree with your points about the financial aspect, but wat is wrong with you when you talk about tactics? look were in debt, and we can't afford it, its as simple as dat. but fergie's tacts is not the reason why people don't go to old trafford you goof. if u need help with essay wiriting in sure there are some classes in manchester to teach dat. stick to the topic big boy!
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Posted by Neeraj on 09/09/2009
Daniel, Man Utd are not Lehmann brothers.
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Posted by TB on 09/09/2009
Excellent article. I don't support Man Utd, but I agree with everything you have said.
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Posted by David on 09/09/2009
Have the Glazers sell the American Football team(which I think is valued at 1 billion us) Pay off United's debts and we can spend money anyway the club chooses.
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Posted by Flabbergasted on 09/09/2009
"I'm sorry but the obvious anti-semitism of the FC United supporters is disgusting to me. You can wrap it anyway you like, but we both know the truth."
Ha ha ha, of all the clueless, deluded claptrap posted on here that has to be right up at the very top.
What an utter imbecile. My head hurts just thinking about how openly stupid this silly silly person is.
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Posted by nathan on 09/09/2009
I think we are all hard-pressed to find a more insightful United blog, this coming from someone highly arrogant who fancies himself in the same genre. Great reading. And yeah, Rooney keeps on diving!
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Posted by kk on 09/09/2009
While everything you said was true, they don't seem to justify your decision to stop watching Old Trafford games.
What you basically said was this: Someone came over and bought the club I supported, and because of that takeover, the club is now in alot of debt. Therefore, I'm going to stop supporting the club.
I'll summarize it even more: I've stopped supporting the club cos its in alot of debt.
That's not making any sense!
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Posted by The Real Deal on 09/09/2009
Daniel,
maybe some of the factors you have mentioned are true, but no matter what happens to Manchester United, a TRUE fan of the club supports it NO MATTER WHAT. So, no matter what Manchester United goes through, whether it be "high debt" or "holes in the squad" the truth is that this club has given me more joy then I could ever ask for, and whether we have debt or not, trophies or no trophies, great players or holes in the squad,whether I pay one buck or a million to watch a game, I love this club so much and I will always support it. Belief, loyalty, and faith define true fans.
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Posted by OliW on 09/09/2009
Fantastic article. It is just a shame so many supporters want to turn a blind eye until United do a Leeds or a Newcastle or a Southampton. Then all of a sudden they won't laugh at you for having raised the alarm years before. Unfortunately you can no longer separate football and finances, and whilst people can still enjoy going on a saturday and watching a world class side, there will be a time when that is ruined by the current debts. If a few more supporters had stood up when it mattered then we might not be in this mess, but luckily the supporters trust is trying to rectify that - www.joinmust.org. I still go to Old Trafford but totally understand and respect why you do not. See you in Istanbul.
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Posted by Yukona on 09/10/2009
Screw the numbers, the metaphors are brill! " Excluding Berbatov was cowardly, although no doubt when Fergie dropped the bombshell he pulled it out of the air on the tip of his toe and killed it stone dead it in one fluid movement." Classic mate!
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Posted by Waldo on 09/10/2009
ohhhh I love it when you talk economics...
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Posted by Josh on 09/10/2009
a good read. I am an arsenal supporter but i like reading quality unbiased assesments of anothers team. The front office really needs to start pulling the rabbit out of thier arse when it comes to the debt. It would be sad to see you guys become a Leeds. i love watching Arsenal Man U derbies. At the same time reading the other posts i can not help but think of the old saying... pride comes before the fall. Good Luck.
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Posted by Sam on 09/10/2009
Fans root for their team unconditionally. You do it because you love the team, the players. Not because you like the owner.
You love the team unconditionally because of the heart guys like giggs, rooney, etc. show. You're just a whiny little bitch.
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Posted by Philip on 09/10/2009
Jesus Christ, the clueless Americans are all over this thing. Hey man, our owners are cool, weve won european cups, premierships, blah blah blah because United never won anything like this before the brilliant glazers came. The football club was raped by parasites, the bank lend money against its assets (you see if big malc cant pay then they sell uniteds assets, dont know why united fans should be worried about that) the shirt is denigrated by the biggest corporate terrorists of all time, they try to make money of the munich dead by using their picture and their logo, man what have we all got to be so upset about, its a cool franchise with great owners.
Stop embarassing yourselves and furthering the steroetype thst Americans are clueless about the game
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Posted by jimmy on 09/10/2009
daniel, whilst i u have taken a very noble stance against the debt deal used to acquire uted - i cant quite believe you have been able to maintain yr boycott of OT. being a fan of any ftball club is about supporting the players on the pitch and enjoying tht experience in the stands with other fans..it's about being there 2 see rooney score an incredible volley or berbatov (when the mood takes him) show an amazing piece of skill. the finances of the club - shld in the main, b a sideshow 2 the main event on the pitch-unfortunately u have let the sideshow distract u from what football is actually about and sadly you probably think you are on the moral high ground 4 doing so. i agree that the increase in tkt prices is more than a irritant, but that is a fact of footballing life which all fans suffer-sadly, the chief execs have us over a barrel in this resepect as we all do our best to make sure we still go whatever the price. yr decision not to go suggests u r not as big a fan as u think
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Posted by Taher on 09/10/2009
This bloke is delusional. Everyone knows the amount of debt the team has, does everyone know what United net every year? 100ML NET. I once went to Old Trafford and thought it to be the perfect stadium and atmosphere. If you, the writer dont want to support, then why would you be a fan? Shut up, purchase the away kit and help out.
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Posted by fc united fan on 09/11/2009
Dan,
FCUM!!!
around the world there are fans just like you that have stuck with the mantle of "Not One Penny" your not alone in your reasoning.
Antisemitism? please.. for that see the Anti Cohen/wsd lot there you will find it.
i cant get my head around the fact that most of these folks here that have posted replies have never stepped inside of old trafford, but being glued to television somehow gives them insight to the history and community of the fans that made such a bold decision?
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Posted by timbase on 09/11/2009
on the whole a very interesting blog.. i had to scroll through some of the 'glazier debt' rant because it (financial figures that dont effect the football) bores the sh*t out of me, because it (football today) is what it is.. united simply moved with the times, in reality if this huge debt did ever effect the team on the field i would be horrified, but it wont. im sure there are plenty of billionaires lined up who could step in and bring us instantly back into the black as it were.
im sure you, like me, havent read all the comments.
football wise, i agreed wholly about berbatov not being involved vs arse. nani, or anyone else getting a run of games. i believe our lack of a natural best four across midfield will be our downfall this season, because god knows some of the team selections have been appalling. see champs league final. and SAF will get it wrong too many times.
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Posted by Yesman74 on 09/11/2009
(Eloquent) 'Word' Dan
Most of your detractors haven't been close enough to feel the pain of change.
As for some of the imbecilic views expressed from the 'ostriches' out there - most of whom have only 'daytripped' to O.T. @ best;
- "Dan does NOT support Utd" - what tosh! I may love and support my wife dearly but if she was to treat me like sh!t, continually bleed me dry and dip into my bank account at will without authorisation, continually increase her financial demands regardless, stifle and curtial my enjoyment at every possible opportunity (John Denver covers album anyone!), completely disregard my views and flirt wildly with exotic strangers popping round every w-e with their wallets flashed full of plastic love.........there would come a time when Self-respect and 'tough-love' became the only integrious solution.
- FC UTD and anti-semitism! (an anti-semetic statement in inself by implyimg judaism is based on commerce rather than anything spiritual?) For what it's worth I think 'FC' is a flawed concept - the grass roots was already there for the disillusioned and this could set a dangerous precident at the expense of long established clubs.
- bankers know what they are doing - pls, where have you been living?
I have also left my treasured view (from K-stand) and many many wonderful memories behind but I'll always have utd in my heart (albeit now shared with a wife and kids!).
It's not just Utd - Football is eating itself and it's less painful to watch from afar (for now at least).
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Posted by The Truth on 09/11/2009
If you dont attend Old Trafford then you shouldnt be attending away games. That ticket should got to a loyal fan, not a walk away prat.
In order to get away tickets, someone has to be a season ticket holder, so your happy for others to pay into United whilst you act as an embarrasment to our fanbase.
Stop going all together and do us all a favour.
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Posted by Love united, hate Glazer on 10/28/2009
He's taken our club and put it in serious debt.
He forced the people of Manchester to walk away from 'their' club through over pricing.
By his actions he has turned Old Trafford into a shadow of its former self, theres no atmosphere anymore.
What can be done ? I have no idea but I wish more people had taken a stand and maybe our beloved united wouldnt be in the mess it is today.
Thank god for FC
Two Uniteds one soul
MUFCUM OK
Posted by Imanibiasse on 11/02/2009
Other variant is possible also
Posted by lingerie on 11/25/2009
I loved going through your article, you totally knocked it out of the ballpark! I have forwarded a link to my bro, and will surely be returning for more updates.
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Daniel Harris is an ex-City lawyer, and now a writer and a bit of a journalist. He contributes to United fanzine Redissue, and his blockbusting debut novel will be out in a bit.
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