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Posted by Mark Payne on 10/16/2011

Perspective is important when assessing anything. Although it is hugely important to be fully involved in the business at hand, it pays to be aware of what happens elsewhere in the world. To be perfectly frank, fans of other sports look at football and laugh their arses off at the diving of our players. It is pathetic, tiresome and damaging to the game. It’s finest exponents play for Liverpool FC.

Despite being more positive, more attacking and more incisive than United in this match, the Merseysiders did not have the class to make their advantage count. Instead they resorted to appalling sportsmanship in order to forge their advantage. Charlie Adam’s dive to win their free-kick was almost a masterclass in cheating. If only he had got Rio Ferdinand sent off too, then it would have been perfect. Downing’s effort in the first half was almost as good. I admire the bravery of diving needlessly in front of 40,000 of your own fans.


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Fair play winner Charlie Adam
Diving is one thing, racism is another. If we are to believe the post match reports, both were happening frequently throughout the game and headed entirely in one direction. My respect for Liverpool as an institution goes through choppy waters at times like these.

Steven Gerrard is a wonderful player, but the five-fingered salute he used to celebrate his goal does more damage than a 1,000 late tackles against Montenegro. He will, of course, remain unpunished.

United started the match with a team containing several graduate from the youth program. Fletcher, Evans, Giggs and Welbeck formed a solid outfield that secured the club’s first point on this troublesome ground for several years. David De Gea in goal was nothing short of outstanding in keeping the Liverpudlian’s late strikes at bay.

The force is strong with young Chicharito, who rode through some of Liverpool’s more colourful challenges after he came on to score a proper goal that did not involve any conning of the referee.

If you had offered me 2 points from the games against Liverpool and City I would probably have been more likely to take it than 3. We are on track, we have the dignity of knowing we play the game properly and we have improved our result at Anfield. Now, let’s see what the neighbours have got.

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Comments

Posted by none of your fucking business on 10/16/2011

Fuck use you scum shit..with you fucking corupt show that will never compare with other football programs..dumb fucks

Posted by Chris Lawrence on 10/16/2011

It's amazing how you see it as a dive when Rio Ferdinand ADMITTED after the game that he fouled him deliberately!Does truth always hurt?

Posted by Lee on 10/16/2011

Rio Ferdinand has admitted he tripped Adam.. Time for a rethink you muppet.

Posted by Mark Payne on 10/16/2011

Mark Payne = Bias little cunt!

Posted by marky boy on 10/16/2011

Had to laugh at steveeeee starfish,when i read a few of the paper headlines this morning.We held the champions were on the right track.Did he actually look at uniteds bench,ha ha ha.As for the 5 fingered salute"i`ve 5 more seasons to win the league".

Posted by Abo on 10/16/2011

5 fingers 5 European cups. Wow that's worse than hoofing your opponent in the air.as has been mentioned drugcheat admitted the foul. Worst article I ever read. Your clueless lad!

Posted by King Eric on 10/16/2011

the only chance he can kiss is the chicken on his shirt, not the trophies as we do

Posted by The Real Truth on 10/16/2011

Everytime I read your blog entries Mark it seems,as though you always have something or the other to bitch and whine about.

I mean,United supporters have been the most blessed football fans in the world because of the team's success !

You ought to be above such pettiness but instead,you and many other United fans love to harbour grudges as though you are nursing some inferiority complex.

Why?

Posted by stevie me-I-wished-I-joined-chelski-but-captaining-a-crap-team-works-too on 10/16/2011

Rio Ferdinand said, and I quote, "it was only the slightest of touches but definitely not enough to bring a guy of 12. 13 stone down". Read the full quote next time before you start talking all you livercrap or are you too dumb and blind to read anything more than 5 words just like how you're blind to Henderson's deliberate dive

Posted by Cheats on 10/16/2011

They are really a bunch of cheats!! Shame on Fools,,,,,

Posted by redscouse on 10/16/2011

condemn the twats singing "96 scousers lay dead on the floor" (to the tune of in my Liverpool home) you fucker! worse than five fingered saluts or kicking a Montenegron - as for the racism accusation, lets see if its proved first - after all Evra has previous for accusing people of this despicable act without subsequent action - if unproved then he should be punished for diminishing the experience of those people who really suffer racist abuse! by the way, before you seek refuge in the defence of someone chanting about the tragic Munich disaster - it never happened lad

Posted by Raizzen on 10/16/2011

Suarez is a fugly, rat look-alike diving little cunt. And we stole a point, right under your noses, at your HOME and when you've led. It feels good.

Keep throwing that 'five' signs bragging about a Cup that you're not even qualified to compete for.

Wait, you didn't even qualify for Europa, did you ? lol

Posted by Sean on 10/16/2011

Yeah rio says there was a slight touch, still not enough to bring someone down. Better yet we don't need that comment because we can use our own eyes to see there was nothing in the challenge by viewing the many angles of the replays. I'd think you'd be hard-pressed to find a LFC player that would have the same candor that Rio showed when he admitted to the touch. And you label HIM a cheat?

In reference to the article, here in America I'm forced to defend soccer as the greatest sport from the most oft-heard complaint about the game being that the players fall all the time from worthless challenges. Partnered with that complaint is that afterwards the players roll around on the ground trying to wrestle favor from the ref. While there were no dramatic histrionics from the home team, I'd like to thank LFC for keeping the game out of America. One of many glorious reasons why I follow and support United is because you won't see the players diving. Ahem...now that CR7 is a madridista.

Posted by Canada Red on 10/16/2011

United fans...you must be embarrassed by this clown and his reports. Mark, you are the worst type of footy fan...the one who cannot give credit or hold his hands up when his team is outplayed and undeserved of something. Suarez was kicked all game...or were they all dives as well. i think Smalling is still cleaning pieces of him out fo his boots. Furthermore, what is wrong with Stevie holding up his hand the way he did? You make it sound as if he did a Gary neville in front of your fans. Tw@t.

Posted by Canada Red on 10/16/2011

One more thing...on diving I have but one word for you..."Nani". End of f@cking debate. Please respond to these posts you little chicken shit...I cant wait to read your tripe.

Posted by Keano16 on 10/16/2011

Build a bonfire, build a bonfire,
Put the scousers on the top.
Put the city in the middle
And burn the f*ckin lot...

19 times...enough said.

Posted by joseph ndowa on 10/16/2011

David de Gea is slowly becoming a super heroe at Man Utd and to that crowd that was making funny statements to discredit his abilities time is now up to start eating your words.it looks like the art of diving to fool the referees is in liverpool players DNA.

Posted by David Smith on 10/16/2011

3,000 fans of England's most successful football club chanted "96 Scousers lay dead on the floor"? Bad fans of England's most successful football club! There, condemned. Good to see so many Bin Dippers on here leaving comments when most of the weekly Liverpool threads pass without a single response. Not quite sure why little Stevie is holding up five fingers though. Giggs has won it twice. Still, if you must bask in the glory of beating such European powerhouses as, ahem, Borussia Monchengladbach, Club Brugge and Roma, then by all means, continue. It's not like the groin-pulling, Chelsea-wannabe has 12 Premier League medals to crow about. All I can say is if that's the best Liverpool has got to offer when we're without Rooney, Hernandez, Vidic and Nani, just to name a few, then you muppets better hope for a good Carling Cup run. De Gea was top notch in front of a very, very quiet Kop and United's continued trophy haul looks in good hands for years to come. Our main rivals visit next.

Posted by AKHIL on 10/16/2011

talk abt unsportsmanship....
ONE Phrase
"NANI - THE CRY BABY "

Posted by Hillsborough Isfun on 10/16/2011

Can someone please remind Suarez this is the Premier League where men play football? It's not for acting like a little bitch and every time the wind blows to strong he acts like hes been shot. And of course he had to top it off all of by also being a racist? How nice.

Also Stevie Gerrard should be more worried about who's kids hes pretending are his and his wife being every gangsters favorite lay then worried about hold up five fingers.

Also for United fans I'd say taking a point away from Trafford with three starters in the line up for most of the game was a good result. And for everyone else bitching and moaning about this blog, why read it? Why if you hate United and the writer do you continue to check it and comment? Pretty pathetic if this is how you use your time.

Posted by utd_fc on 10/16/2011

Nani cry baby? I'm assuming you're referring to the tackle where that bastard scouse took him apart?! In the heat of the moment he got up to show the ref the damage to his shin and fell down again when he tried walking on it. He had to be carried off and was sidelined for the next few games.

Also gerrard can hold up those 5 fingers all he wants. hell he can shove them up his ass for all i care. truth of the matter is it was a shit free kick, and LiverFlop can't even qualify for the very trophy they so happily show off about.

Posted by J on 10/16/2011

This coming from a man who's team employed Cristiano Ronaldo, Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Nani, Rooney, Evra, and Ashley Young? Jesus, you probably believe the English don't dive too don't you? You're a disgrace. Write something that doesn't have bias written all over it. It's quite amazing some people can rationalize.

Posted by canada red on 10/16/2011

Ignorant tw@t...you werent even on the f@cking radar when we were beating Borussia and Roma. If it wasnt for the creation of the premier league and all the money, where would you be? prior to that you were shit. try and argue that fact...your success before and after will prove my point. We revolutionized football through out Europe during our 4 Euro cups in the 70s and 80s. furthermore, there were no group stages where you could just win your home games and go through. Wake up!! Remind me how many trophies you won before Prem Money?

Posted by Kapil on 10/17/2011

@Canada red....you revolutionized football just like george bush made this world a more peaceful place to live in...you are a joke man

Posted by David Smith on 10/17/2011

This just in....Ryan Giggs sips champagne; five-finger Stevie drowns in Canada Dry.

Poor Bin Dippers. Revolutionize football throughout Europe by casting aside powerhouses Borussia Monchengladbach, Club Brugge and Roma and STILL play second fiddle to England's biggest club, Manchester United. Some radar that. The current radar, however, confirms that Liverpool, being just 30 miles from the Theatre of Dreams, will always be just a stone's throw from silverware.

History will tell you, the last, great football revolution was led by Sir Alex Ferguson. His charges were dispatched into the Kingdom of Dole and asked to promptly knock the smelly Dolians off their fuckin' perch.

Mission accomplished...."and that's a fact".

Still, you lot do have King Kenny (and Lebron James) and although that wasn't enough to land future legend Phil Jones, Liverpool F.C. are finally back on the radar! Just not the European one, Premier League one, etc, etc.

Posted by Canada red on 10/17/2011

A lot if insults and bullshit but still avoiding the question. You lot were no where before the prem and its money.answer the f@cking question. How many trophies pre prem money?

Posted by DanTheSmudger on 10/17/2011

It seems like we have a case of an eye for an eye here as far as flinging insults is concerned. It's never going to end. But come on. Even you have to admit that that was a soft soft foul on Adam.

And yea, Mark's got a right to be fucking biased because this is a fucking Manchester United blog you fucking brainless tw@ts. And don't go all holier-than-thou on me and say that your own blog's all clean. Fuck off. Don't like it, don't read it.

Posted by Dayo on 10/17/2011

It's a pure shame when players engage in this act of diving and it's even worse when referees fail 2 see it. I'm particularly unimpressed with referees in EPL. They are 2 anxious 2 give fouls. A big shame on Liverpool for their dives.

Posted by Richjul on 10/17/2011

L'pool hav'nt won a league title in 20 years cos they are confused as to which club they belong to - a f/ball club or a diving club. If the ref had given a yellow to Dowing, he would have put a stop to the diving that ensued. Suares he cheated in the world cup,he bit a players ears, got an Everton player sent off and later rescinded and now being accused of racist behaviour.Is this not incriminating evidence of a player that would resort to something like this. many l'pool supporters castigated Suares against Ghana in the world cup but now see him as a hero - says a lot about who yud rather have in your team him or CR7. I wonder how you guys will take it when the ref and the FA see through him and ban him for more than the 7 games he got at Ajax. Also the diving was Strategic from dalglish, he made a genetleman like Dowining resort to thrash. When a player never engaged in these activities with their previous clubs suddenly start diving without being touched tells you it's Srategic

Posted by theJepit on 10/17/2011

Mr Payne,
Yours is the best blog on ESPN. I love reading all sort of mess other people wrote here.

To all bin dippers out there, I'll shout it out loud
"THIS IS A MANCHESTER UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB BLOG"

I wondered which part of that statement that they didn't understand..

to Canada Red,..you couldn't even win at Anfield so stop whining..

Posted by Tapiwa Mubonderi on 10/17/2011

The result is an improvement from previous seasons when we lost and its a shame that we will have to wait a bit longer for a win at Anfield. I hope we have what it takes to beat Man Shitty, there is need for to score more goals. Based on Saturday's outcome we have a lot of work to do before we can claim to have exorcised the ghost of Wembly.

Posted by theJepit on 10/17/2011

@Canada Red,

On behalf of all, I'll answer your question with a question,
How many times did your team won the league after 1990?
Same prem money mate,..just bad management, crap owners, managers and Ronnie Rosenthal..

Posted by NikDARED on 10/17/2011

Twat scum how can you write such SHITE

Posted by Man U Forever on 10/17/2011

@Canada Red

You said Pool revolutionized football in Europe in 70 and 80? Then ANSWER me WHO WENT AGAINST THE FA and took part in the European Cup first? So please stop living in your fantasy world. We are in 2011 and going into 2012. The TOP ranking clubs in the PREIMER LEAGUE do not include Pool anymore. Remember...the table does not lie.

Posted by Raizzen on 10/17/2011

United fans have a lot to talk about, (since there's a lot going read: Champions League, Premier League etc.)

The Dirty Scouse on the other hand, doesn't even qualify for EUROPA League (despite not shying away from waving that infamous 'five' signs)- so its only logical for them to wander around the English most successful team's supposed blog.

Figures.

Go back where you came from you dirty Scouse, and by all means take that history channel 'five' signs with you. Yours is the sight of an eyesore.

Posted by Red forever on 10/17/2011

I think Max sleeps with SAF after every match. And all this crap that he writes on the blog is whispered down to him by SAF when they're cuddling after SAF came all over Max's face...

Posted by Kardajo on 10/17/2011

Sometimes stupid fans make me sick. Specifically the ones defending Adam and Downing by saying, "Nani." Now I'll admit that Nani dived a few times especially early last season when he was really developing into the player he is now, but I challenge anyone to find a dive by Nani this season, and while I can't be sure of it, I'd be willing to bet you wouldn't find one this calender year. As opposed to Suarez for whom I can find several in the course of his last 90 minutes of play. Or Downing or Adam. And why are Liverpool fans so eager to read a Utd blog, I mean they managed several comments on here before a Utd fan even showed up. Truth is the only reason they got a point was because of a dive and a fail by our resident geriatric hero who may have had a flash of early onset alzhimers to explain how he would make that mistake. And as to Evra, anyone who watches Utd knows he gets fouled quite a bit and never gets worked up. I don't know what happened but it's clear something did.

Posted by kayo on 10/17/2011

man u keep on keeping on. fergie is one king rare to get i always get amused by the he gets his team for play you might never know ho gonna start???

Posted by Goerge on 10/17/2011

Mark U ve got all the time in the world to write this kind of shit, And I have all the time in the World to tell U this, "Go fuck urslef and Dive into Hell".

Posted by blah on 10/17/2011

Worst article ever seen in my life. The author has no knowledge of what he was writing about.

Posted by mk9 on 10/17/2011

bwahaha. May I remind you. Ronaldo and Nani. You have the audacity to point fingers. Man U are serial offenders. At the end of the day there was contact. Maybe if your wall could do a proper job, you wouldn't be complaining. And Evra! The same Evra from from the world cup!? The guy who shamed his country!? Coming up with this kind of controversy. He isn't bonkers at all.

Posted by malc on 10/17/2011

Canada red - you flaunt your ignorance as though it were a virtue. anyone who knows anything about football, particularly European football knows that it was Manchester united who changed footballing history by going into Europe and being the first English team to win the European cup. united dominated English football in the 50's and some of the 60's as well as the last 20 years. Liverpool dominated 70's and 80's but your star has faded long ago. gerrard holding up 5 fingers signified the aim to finish 5th this year.

Posted by 19IsthEnUmbEr on 10/17/2011

i wish chica have at least 19 fingers so he can show it to the Fools when he scores. well, nevermind it. the liverfools wont know how to count it anyway. 5 is their limit already. lol

Posted by koreanred on 10/17/2011

5 european cups ahahahahaha

Posted by Dev on 10/17/2011

Ur just a piece of shit

Posted by peppin on 10/17/2011

This article is an embarrassment to United and Pool fans alike. Incredibly immature.

Posted by Gunnertillidie on 10/17/2011

But when rooney dives it is ok ?? Fucking hypocrite scum

Posted by David Smith on 10/17/2011

Dear Canada Red, Love "The Fifth Official"

"Who precisely was it that asked Ian 'Hot' Ayre to open his gob and declare Liverpool the moral authority on how the Premier League's vast pot of gold should be distributed? Apparently Ian thinks finishing seventh and sixth in the past two seasons allows him to slot his club into the same bracket as Manchester United and Real Madrid. Why do they need more cash anyway? So they can buy more mediocre players? I thought they'd have got tired of that by the time Rafa Benitez left. The famous saying goes: "No man is an island." Well, Ian clearly seems to think Liverpool is, and as such he clearly feels qualified to comment on the viewing preferences of other islands, like Taiwan, who apparently have a distinct phobia of Bolton. So what Ian must have been hoping for was a rip-roaring game against the English champions to prove to the world, and Richard Scudamore, that Liverpool should be allowed to renegotiate their pocket size."

Revolutionary!

Posted by Eli on 10/17/2011

Some really lame opinions here. All I can say is you all sound like crying little school girls. Liverpool is not a diving club and we are clearly still one of the biggest clubs in the world, I mean look at our fan base. Man Utd looks fairly unstoppable right now, and I respect that, but you guys simply didn't play up to us on Saturday. It was a really entertaining game for vast stretches, but Liverpool overall played better. Deal with it. And yes, I know we were at home and "we couldn't even win." That is something someone who knows their team didn't play well says. Get lives. Evra also needs to grow some new balls and become a man again, I could smell the estrogen through my TV.

Posted by Kennedy on 10/17/2011

Liverpool is a disgrace.Raising five fingers up for what.Lets see who qualifies for that same five fingers and who doesn't.A club that has the gut to purchase Suarez the cheat in world cup,what do u expect?Their coach will complain more when others dive.They are lucky they met United who believe in just playing the game.Till they meet Drogba etc,they will experience diving till Ph.D level.

Posted by Fela on 10/17/2011

I see a lot hate in the messages above and that's to be expected of Man Utd and Liverpool fans, but aside the hatred I am disappointed that the man utd faithfuls haven't been objective at all. In fact that foul should have been a sending off for Rio, cause it was a deliberate one even though he had gotten a yellow earlier but aside this, the match lived up to its billing. So Mark, whether man utd win or lose never lose the objective which is to say it as it is and instead of being bias.

Posted by Camp nou on 10/17/2011

Atleast when liverpool was the best team in england they also dominated europe just like barcelona are.As for man united they are just big bullys that blow away teams like wolves but when they come to the big boys they cant even get together 45% ball position

Posted by Lando on 10/17/2011

This is a United blog. Of course it's biased. What imbecile can't grasp that simple concept?

Regardless, I am a diehard United fan but Mark Payne, this article is diabolical in how poorly it is written. I would have thought you had a better ability to at least proof your articles before they are published. At least punctuate properly; it's not that hard. This particular entry embarrasses me as a United fan.

Posted by Niki Bagge on 10/17/2011

I am a Danish Liverpoolsupporter and a bit shocked by the way people go crazy in here. And surprised that - was seems to be a professional writing journalist like - Mark Payne is deliberately creating even more hatred than anyone needed.
I agree Adam went down easily, and I was a bit embarrassed to see Downing in the 1st half. Still I think it is way out of line to call in LFCplayers as the worst ones. I can recall MUplayers, both former and current, falling down easily too - not that it is ok then for Adam to do so.
In my head 1-1 was a fair scoreline. About the Evra/Suarez row, it is as mr. Payne has already called for a 'guilty'-sign for our Uruguayan player.
If Evra has a case, Suarez should be punished hard by both FA and the Club. But if not - then it is the 3rd time Evra's made accusations without any sort of proof, but fans around the country/world will now always remember and judge Suarez as a racist... is that fair? Accusations will fly through the air then in the future..

Posted by cmkj35 on 10/17/2011

Wow, there are some super bitter people on here. Charlie Adam embellished a foul, Evra was pissed at Suarez's relentless play, Hernandez had a typical poachers goal, and Liverpool probably should have put another goal in late. Quit all the pissing and moaning people. It was a draw, Liverpool will be mad we didn't get more, and Manchester should be happy they actually left with a point. It was a good game all-in-all. Have some decency, all you lot do is try an put down the other. It is a game; watch it, enjoy it and get on with your life. No need to belittle people like a little child who has no other defense but to try and make somebody else feel smaller.

Posted by John Ogere on 10/17/2011

Utd for real. Pulling a point in Anfield was a g8t tactice 4rm a g8t tactician. L'pool fans shld shut up their mouth and give respect to whom it is due.

Posted by Sleepystalker on 10/17/2011

This is a Manchester United blog, not a liverpool blog. Obviously there's gonna be some bias. What did you guys expect? Most pool fans would complain if some opponent crumpled under little to no contact. It's hilarious that you're stalking another club.

Posted by Torontored on 10/17/2011

I see the unemployed bin dippers are flapping their rotting gums again. Yes yes, congratulations on a home draw when we started Rooney, Chico AND Nani on the bench. AT ANFIELD. Fergie treated this one like the pre European away trip to a non factor side that it was. Hell, Phil Jones was in the midfield AND Johnny Evans played and you still needed a crap dive to score your only goal. But again, at least you managed a point from the team that not only took your precious record of titles last year but currently sits 6 points ahead this year again. Judging by your math skills it is no wonder you still think the 35 Million for Carrol, the 20 Million for Aquilani and the 20 Million for Henderson etc was money well spent. So yes Canada Red do go on about how United were shit before the premier league started to make money. You know I hear Forest and Derby were once great sides as well. So long scousers, onto the real test agianst our real rivals for the title. Try not to let Arsenal catch you

Posted by some guy in SEA on 10/17/2011

Kinda funny how some United haters come to the United blog and expect there to be not a hint of bias towards the greatest club in England right now.

Also funny how Adams flopped at the merest touch. Fergie once said his freekicks are worth 10m alone. I wonder how much that dive is worth?

Funniest of all, Poo couldn't beat an out-of-sorts United team at Anfield. We fared bad, you fared worse, simple.

You'll always walk alone, Poo.

Posted by Susie on 10/17/2011

Mark---

I always enjoy reading your posts, as much for the content as for the ire you incite in others.

It's always funny to me when people don't get that we are supposed to be biased.

Posted by wil blythe on 10/17/2011

dive wat with glug steaming thru the back of u bcos yur gonna turn him into a pumpkin...the charlie adam thing hes clean thru why wud he dive...oh yeh so gerrard cud practice his freekicks NOT

Posted by pete on 10/17/2011

you keep going on about nani there is nobody worse than sewerez in fact the toy companies have come out with a suarez doll every time you touch it ,it falls over

Posted by John on 10/17/2011

Mark,

I find your comments interesting in two ways, although I do acknowledge that other sports, does make fun of football for its theatrics when it comes to getting fouls and that although there hasn't been any confirmations of racism, there isn't a place for it in any sport, let alone football.

However I do find it a bit pretentious of you calling Liverpool unsportsmanlike when the likes of Nani is diving left, right and centre for fouls, handling the ball ( most notably in the Tottenham game)and berating the ref when he doesn't get his way

Although it is the ugly side of the beautiful game, it seems a dishonest advantage is as good as an advantage. This is evident in world football however there is no denying there was contact on Adam by Ferdinand and that many other players in the same position would have done the same. It is a reality of professional football

Posted by KPM on 10/17/2011

This article is so blatantly biased, poorly-written,and exaggerated that it was not even worth the two minutes it took to read. When United do not win, the terms "diving", "cheating", and my new favorite, "racism", are thrown about to muddy the waters and detract from a game that Liverpool should have won.

Posted by Hillsborough Isfun on 10/17/2011

@ KPM

So the article was such a waste of time you couldn't possible believe you wasted two minutes reading it? So of course you do the only thing that makes sense, "waste" more time commenting on it. Seems pretty retarded to me.

And like I said in my other post, if you don't like United or the author don't check and write a comment. I can't stand liverpool, city, gunners or Chelsea so guess what, I don't check their blog and even if I did and I saw a post I didn't like the last thing I would do is waste my time on writing a comment on it. This all seems like sour grapes to me, liverpools fans thought they were going to get the win and they probably felt disrespected that we put in the B team and still got a point. The sad fact is nowadays a Champions league match and a showdown with City is just more important then this fixture. (I know what Sir Alex said but to be honest, its not like the old days. liverpool fell off and not the end all for us anymore.)

Posted by UI Marafa on 10/17/2011

Liverpool is rubish.Gerrard is confused .It is shameful not to win the league for twenty years.

Posted by Stefan on 10/17/2011

as much as i hate man u, and as much as i adore liverpool, this is a man u blog...so the trash talk can only be expected here, just like its expected anywhere else, but i am also a realist. man u's absolutely fantastic, and even if they came to anfield and took a point, i thought the final ten min was as entertaining as any game i have watched. the key word there is "game"...not a single person on this blog plays for either team. its one thing to support your club, but its another thing to be a**holes about it. no one here is the "world's biggest man u fan" or "world's biggest liverpool fan", and lets all be serious here...if any one of us were playing on the pitch in a game like that, we would do just about anything to win. sure, cheaters are on every single team in every single country, but for anyone who has ever played the game, dont lie to yourself. you would be a liar if you said you never played dirty in your life to get what you wanted. boo yah, there's some knowledge!

Posted by Jeff on 10/17/2011

morons. this is a MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG. it is obviously biased towards the club the author supports. if you want to read about something unbiasedly reported, from a neutral perspective, READ THEM FROM THE NEWSPAPERS, NOT A FAN BLOG. dont come in sulking like babies you imbeciles!

Posted by Ian on 10/17/2011

5 fingers = 5 years without a trophy isn't it? Thanks for reminding us. Nice to see this post being hugely biased too, it's really drawn the rats out of their sewer hasn't it? Very funny. Now run along and hold a minutes silence over a dead chicken or something, you whining grief monkeys.

Posted by Adrian on 10/18/2011

Hahaha what a bias little muppet you are!
"It is pathetic, tiresome and damaging to the game. It’s finest exponents play for Liverpool FC." I can't believe the nonsense pouring out of your mouth, what about nani frequently diving every single game and the whole united team surrounding the ref every time a decision goes against you every single game!
Ferdinand has even come out and said he made contact! and Evra probably didn't even understand the words coming out of suarez's mouth. Your whole article is pathetic.
As for the 5 finger salute, suck it up princess!

Posted by David Smith on 10/18/2011

Sir Alex took Dalglish to a strip club after Saturday's match. Fergie waltzed right in. King Kenny was told to beat it as the place is "Over 18 Only".

....and that's a fact.

Posted by Bryan on 10/18/2011

before 2008, liverpool were flaunting their 18 titles. Now, it's 5 champions league titles. 5 years down the road, there will be nothing left to show off. liverfools will join the likes of forest and leeds in due time.

Posted by mike on 10/18/2011

This is coming froma guy whose team use to have Christiano Ronaldo and currently has Nani...shut the f**** up Manc!

Posted by cash on 10/18/2011

lol! this has been a good read. liv fans slamming united on a united blog attacking the author and calling him bias. Any1 in deir right mind wld xpect such unless ur a scouse! liverpool fans R like dumb n dumber combined, entertaining in bits but stupid most of the time.
as for diving, if the ref genuinely thought it was a foul it wld have been a yellow but he knew it was minimum. didnt want kenny to bitch again bout refs.
5 finger salute from gerrard? the guy who cant play 5 games in a row...what a shithead. 19 is what hurts liverpool the most...so go on about ur european cups. we're only in the same league in the EPL. 19 n proud!

Posted by myky on 10/18/2011

manure analysis period

Posted by Urmstonian on 10/18/2011

Oh dear, Mark, you do seem to have upset some backward folk from the effluent end of the Mersey. But their incoherent rantings shouldn't conceal one or two things. Firstly, most Liverpool fans are, I think, genuine people who just want to support a team with a great tradition. Next, your semi-literate correspondents only make one thing as clear as day - they ENVY United. Next, of course Charley Adam could have stayed on his feet. But so could Nani in quite a few games, and also Ronaldo, and Ruud, and even legends like Sparky. Name a club who hasn't got one. They used to call Arsenal's ground the Highbury Diving Pool in the days of Pires, Bergkamp,etc. And if Rio mistimed his tackle and caught him, it's a foul,isn't it? But not every foul deserves a card. So the ref got it right. And, for any Scousers reading this, I was one of the 60,000 at OT on the day of Hillsborough and the vast majority of the crowd were appalled and deeply sympathetic. No-one died last Saturday, OK?

Posted by that same guy in SEA on 10/18/2011

Haters will always hate, fact of life. Even if Poo won, you bet these same haters will come in and rant about how United messed up their beautifully mowed pitch turf.

Now to set the record straight, I don't condone diving. I slapped my forehead in equal disgust every time CR7 put himself in the running for an Oscar, just as I did when I saw Downing fly, or Adam crumple to the pitch at the slightest hint of contact from Rio.

That said, get a life haters.

Posted by Bhutan Champs on 10/18/2011

Liverpool who? Never heard of them in Bhutan

Posted by David Smith on 10/19/2011

Sorry, Bin Dippers, but European Cup football means your whinging and hot air must take a back seat to Otelul Galati. Ever beat them away when you played in Europe?

Carrick was brilliant last night. An opponent never got within 5 yards of the lad, but he was brilliant all the same! Nani and Anderson were shocking, however. All their good work in the pre-season seems to have now completely vanished. Can a sane, rational United fan, please explain to me the love affair with Anderson? Cheers.

Vidic's red card was so absurd, it doesn't warrant a comment.

The Noisy Neighbours and league leaders come to Old Trafford next and the lads need to step it up a gear or two....quick. I'm just relieved we're quickly closing the gap on Barcelona. Oh boy.

Posted by NiraIsMad on 10/20/2011

Bhutan what? Never heard of that in England

Posted by NiraIsMad on 10/20/2011

Also... even if charlie was faking, united fans are the ones to talk, after harboring and helping Dr. Christiano Ronaldo in creating his "school of diving"

Posted by Oz on 10/20/2011

@ NiraIsMad - you sound like an ignorant fool who cant read a Map!

made yourself look real smart!!

Posted by United sucks on 10/20/2011

Have you ever seen nani play, or Ronaldo when he was there, they perfected the art of the dive while 69 with each other

Posted by NiraIsMad on 10/20/2011

@Oz - I'm sorry. My mistake. Sarcasm is obviously not your cup of tea.
Go back to school. Trust me...education helps.

Posted by micky2times on 10/21/2011

This blog is a joke. Why don't you lot talk about the football. Liverpool should have won but AF made a mistake in selection. End of. If Pool are divers, United are the masters, and all players engaged in such actions should be penalised. I'm off to read city blog, where real football is discussed, in a fair and balanced way!! So no, it is not necessary to be biased here because its a United blog, get back to the football. Payne, you are a disgrace!

Posted by Mattso on 10/21/2011

When I read articles like this, along with the comments below, it affects my faith in football. The lack of class from fans of both clubs here is a disgrace and you should be ashamed of yourselves.
As the the two biggest, most successful clubs you are the institutions every other club should aspire to be, but there is a distinct lack of class when it comes to each other.
You are both as good (and bad) as each other, and the rest of British football shakes its head at the attitudes and spite this fixture brings.

Posted by Sushant on 10/22/2011

THIS IS THE EVRA HAS HIMSELF ACCUSED SOMEONE OF PASSSING RACIST COMMENTS AGAINST HIM...GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PEOPLE!!

Posted by Darren Grant-Hall on 10/22/2011

Wow this is a bitter bitter thread, Mark Duffy of the newcastle blog doesn't have anywhere near the bile and loathing (mostly just swearing at eachother though) of this!

Posted by Stephen on 10/24/2011

It seems that the neighbours had more than you could handle.
It will be interesting to see how your completely biased nonsense spin tries to turn the 6-1 into a positive and sign that City are terrible.

Posted by JJ on 10/24/2011

nothing to say here..just wana know wad r u goin 2 write about after yesterdays game Mark..i reali wan 2 read dat blog of urs!

Posted by dan on 10/25/2011

@Mark payne 6 of the best is what the neighbours got you classless TWAT

Posted by Carl on 10/31/2011

Where do u get all this biased rubbish from !! Er.... hello man ure have had some of the finest divers in the game to date.... where shall we start ?
Its a fucking travesty the way fergie has the media in his back pocket... he's a sore loser always has been... the quicker he fucks off the quicker u gang of inbreds climb back in your hole and the quicker the league becomes fair again...

Typical shite like this blog gets noticed sad to say its just a pity its a load of bullshit

Posted by Russell on 10/31/2011

You can never accuse Liverpool FC of such things when you have masters of the cheat. Ashley Young against City threw himself about, Berbatov vs LFC in last years FA cup. Both Gary Neville and Wayne Rooney have provoked Liverpool fans over the years. Take a look at your own club and realise that we are all in the same boat.

Rio admitted to contact on Adam, so he is entitled to go down, like you'll sat that Berb had reason to go down last year whe brushed by Agger.

C. Ronaldo cheated his way through the premiership for years.

Slur Alex accuses, slurs refs, players and journalists who get in his way. He can tries to ruin refs careers by statement of 'unfit to ref'.

Liverpool FC are a superior force that you still fear and this is why you try your best to deface the name and club.

Piss off and inspect yourself.

YNWA

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