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League tables are useful things. Through the accumulation of points you can compare your team’s fortunes directly with another. They do however, like all types of statistics, miss the key ingredient - they don't capture the essence of what they are quantifying.
There are a number of statistical ways to look at our season so far. On the plus side, we have lost zero games and have the joint, second highest points total in the league. In Dimitar Berbatov we also have the league’s top scorer.
But these don’t explain lacklustre performances to me. They don’t describe the expressions on the player’s faces and they don’t illuminate the conversations that are happening behind closed doors at Old Trafford.
For the first half an hour United were terrific, the fluid attacking play was exactly what you might expect against a team recently from the lower division. Nobody counted on them having more desire than us over the full course of the match and we paid for it. In the end I think we were rather lucky not to lose a game we should have put out of sight before the half-time whistle blew.
The natural instinct is to praise Roberto Di Matteo's side for the execution of their game plan. The fact it was achieved with imagination and skill, rather the elbows and fouls of the Stokes and Blackburns of this league, is to their great credit.
However, that opening flurry from United indicated an enormous gulf in class that we did not see fit to exploit. For all of Albion’s endeavours United still fielded a side capable of hockeying them into next week.
That didn’t happen, and the dropping of points is becoming a bit of a dirty habit for this team. The whole world and his dog knows about Rooney’s woes but the men who set a clean-sheet record not so long ago need to look at themselves. Edwin Van Der Sar looked every one of his forty years and today is the day when being the leagues oldest player can’t feel so good.
Rio is recently back from injury but his much lauded partnership with Vidic is capable of more than this display, they need to improve. There are rumours that Evra is disgruntled and is angling for a move back to France. That seems fairly barmy to me after his antics over the summer but his own goal here was equally nutty so you never know.

Evra and Hernandez are sick of the lies. They're in love and they don't care who knows it. (C) Getty
Back in number-ville, Liverpool’s entry into an Ally McBeal episode over the last couple of weeks has had us all in its grip. The Hicks/Gillet axis was holding out for more money because it thought NESV’s £300m valuation was too short.
I thought the most interesting quote came from Martin Broughton;“Having scoured the globe looking for a buyer these are the ones we found. Therefore this is a true valuation of the club.”
That is the thing with money, it is supposed to represent the value of goods and services within the current market. I truly love United but even I can concede the club is not worth five times more than the Merseysiders and the Glazer’s appraisal of our worth seems even more skewed and demented than usual.
What’s more we’ve recently had the publication of an £80m + loss in the last year’s accounts. As the Liverpool sale moves into the background you can expect much more coverage of United’s position in the press and none of it is going to be easy reading.
Too hard facts seem to be emerging, firstly they are determined not to sell. And secondly, the notion of fans boycotting a match completely seems unlikely. This is why football is such a brilliant industry to exploit I suppose. Fans define themselves by their loyalty and in order to exert power over these owners that is exactly what we need to compromise. The pain of it is excruciating.
The ownership situation is one in which I struggle to do the maths. With regards to the team, I expect Ferguson will get them to pull together and give this season a real go. With regards to us as fans we must do the same, pull together and remain united by the common goal of getting the Glazers out. I am not sure how yet, but I’m sure we’ll do it if we keep the faith.
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Posted by tuhin on 10/17/2010
very well written...apart from nani and hernandez, there was little solace out there yesterday. I don't know why he persists with gibson, a complete waste of a player...resting scholes after a 15 day break was equally idiotic...
Finally, let's hope rooney come back to form...
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Posted by kent chong on 10/17/2010
before the takeover we are breaking records for transfer year in year out.now we are relying on oldies to bail us out which this year proven a step too far for them.i have been supporting united for the best part of 20 years and i know the time has come.the time has come for us.we can go on for another 10 years if not for glazers putting the strain on repaying the interest on the loan on the club.every yearly we are losing nearly 50mils to banks and if that money being put to good use,i can hardly see any team lording us be it in england or europe.however what i can see now is west brom can come to old trafford and come back from 2 goals down.go figure.its not just this.the rot started from last year itself.go on keep up the good works and follow the road to oblivion just like liverpool.its ok i still have good old days of cantona,keane,van nistelrooy,ronaldo.those days when we are the kings of the land.at least nani still gives me the imagination unlike that whorefuck ROONEY.
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Posted by kent chong on 10/17/2010
great strikers of their generation normally leave a lasting impression.batigol,trezeguet,anelka,henry,del piero,ronaldo,etoo,david villa,crespo,vieri,van nistelrooy,shearer
tell me ROONEY,do u think u fit in there?u cant even shoot a ball properly.get real england.stop hailing limited lousy piece of shit to be ur next saviour. pls SAF,sell him for good money.use that money to repay the debts.i am sick of this SHREK eversince he joined us.he has got no trait of a sensational strikers.a cow he is..hardworking as a cow.but what good a cow to manu.we need more c.ronaldo,nani,van nistelrooy,keane.in a team one fletcher is dire enough.
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Posted by Mark Onyango Ojuok on 10/17/2010
United need to sort themselves out asap otherwise Chelsea will get too far ahead of them
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Posted by u r so right on 10/17/2010
absolutely agree with u on the Glazer issue...the ownership battle will soon come for United...
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Posted by ftnchen on 10/17/2010
True WBA had a spirited display and United clueless after Brom equalized, but it still doesn't hide the fact that those were two fluke goals. The back five were shaky after the VDS' howler, but did enough so that WBA barely threatened the goal.
Giggs injury robbed us of our chief architect in offense, and I could understand Gibson's introduction when we were in cruise control at the time of substitution. But Anderson and Carrick out for Rooney and Scholes? We totally lost the midfield from that point on and we resorted back to League Three football (ie. long-ball).
Let's hope with Rio back, we get some stability in the back 5 and can push from there.
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Posted by Ola on 10/17/2010
Its obvious something is wrong with united this season. Some will blame the defenders but I think the real problem is the midfield. There is little protection for the back four. We missed Fletcher and without him there is no energy or dynamism in the middle. Scholes for all his talents can't tackle Carrick is one paced and Anderson is not what we thought he would be. We need a holding midfield maestro or else teams Will have easy access to the Heart of our defence.
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Posted by Johan Ethu on 10/17/2010
Manchester United quite simply do not have the players they used to. Giggs and Scholes are to old, and they have no new "real" players coming through the ranks and are horrible in the transfer market now: we need a robson, keane, even a butt/beckham players that care enough to want to win.
I mentioned a year ago they should get Van Der Vaart, but no. And now look at him tearing it up at White Hart Lane.
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Posted by fishyfisha on 10/17/2010
i love it how people are saying that united played badly, but the forget to say that wba played great again but never get any pundits. They beat arsenal at arseanal they drew with tottenham drew at united unfairy lost to liverpool beat birmingham. but to everyone says they didnt play well.
if you actual watch the game it wasnt just united who made mistakes for the wba goals. wba made to horrid mistkaes for the united goal first carson(underrated goalkeeper) basicaly passed it to that little mexican and shorey sliped to give the ball to united for nani to score. wba are the most underated team in england to the moment full stop. they are 6th in the table, have one of the best young managers in the world, no debt (compared to nearly everyother prem team and certain championship teams)loyal fans, good instucture and a great young squad. DI MATTEO for manager of the season!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by TheJepit on 10/18/2010
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Posted by Abdul Hamid on 10/18/2010
Yap. we need a good solid midfilder of Roy Keane style. No one is commanding in the middle of the park. We need it Fast. as for rooney he is just a mess. just sell him...
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Posted by John Okello on 10/18/2010
time for manu to clean their house
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Posted by Maverick on 10/18/2010
I have said it in my prevoius posts that Man Utd has lost that killer instinct. Now SAF has said it hmself. I watching the game and I was shocked that WBA equalized through a horrid piece of goalkeeping.WTF is VDS thinking. School boy mistake. Utterly no excuse for that kind of blunder. The incident that lead to the first goal was also unnecesary. Anderson don't even need to foul the player, just keep him in check. In the end, like or not I was rooting for WBA to snatch a winner for themself. I was just fedup that the team that has put themself infront and with the lack of focus and ideas, crumbled.
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Posted by kelvin on 10/18/2010
hard game to swallow. Watching it on a Sat night here in Asia spoilt my weekend. I can take it when we get hammered by a good team with a better performance and lose....its realy hard to see that we are going well....cruising (a little too early for my opinion), and then letting these teams come back, and we can't turn it on late like we used to becuase we don't have the same quality coming off the bench. Plenty of good squad players, not enough game winners (a few aging ones), and an incredible talent that needs to get his act together again.
Playing football for GBP 100K a week is a privilege, that needs to be treasured, worked hard at and be focused for. Whatever the stress, burdens and expectations....do it right for 10 years or a few more, and then never have to worry about money for yourself and your kids ever again.
We ended the week exactly the same as how we started it in the league tables......its not ovber yet.
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Posted by ASh on 10/18/2010
I have been a united fan since i could remember. I wait anxiously during the week just for the weekend to come so i can watch my beloved United play. Now days all it brings me is frustration. This is not Man Utd of old, something is wrong here and i know all United fans will agree. We need to get rid of the Glasers. They are suffocating our club. We need players badly but instead of buying we are paying interest on the loans those blady Americans have cursed us with. The only comforting thing is that we are playing really badly but we are still in the top 4 and unbeaten. Imagine when we hit form which i know we will. Come on United.. Lets get behind our team. United forever
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Posted by TEEKAY on 10/18/2010
i think its still early days and i believe with the experience in the team, they are capable of overturning this misfortunes. Moreover, no trophy is won yet. We've toed this line before and i have no doubt that we will overcome it. A true united should know better!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Stripes on 10/18/2010
Very sad to see the team going the way they are this season. Something just doesn't seem very right. If Rooney needs to go, he needs to go. No one's bigger than the club. But for goodness sake, start spending whatever little $$ there is on proven players!!
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Posted by chika on 10/18/2010
manutd is filled with scrap. a player like O'shea wouldn't be on WBA's bench, Gibson, Anderson, Park, Evans, dont have the class to be in a united team,and the four Oldies should be allowed to retire.it's really sad to know that Tottenham has 3 creative midfielders-VDV,Luka Modric and Niko Krankjar, while united have a tired Scholes,a classless Anderson and a Carrick that can't be described.the name Manutd does not win trophies, its the players.
Fergie watch it.
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Posted by Roope on 10/18/2010
There is enough skill in the squad. What is lacking is grit, determination and willingness run after and fight for every ball.
Yes the Blackburns et al. play ugly football from the dark ages, but you either cope with it or drop points. Opposition managers have been good at exploiting Utd's softness. On more than one occasion I have found myself wondering how easy it is to outrun Utd or muscle them into submission.
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Posted by sonya on 10/18/2010
i actually predicted this when ronaldo let last year but thought we would see this last year. I cant remember when Ive seen United play so pathetically. Will Still be a United fan but very sad to say that our players look disinterested and City look better than us. We are in trouble. I dont blame the ownership I blame the players. I worry cause our midfield looks terrible.
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Posted by RMJ on 10/18/2010
we lost the game when Gibson subbed in for Giggs, till then we were flying...why the hell does Fergie persist with such a useless player who aside from his shooting boots has nothing else...a 2 year old can tell you Anderson is no winger but that's how we played...the same for the game against Sunderland...we provided our only attacking impetus when we shifted to a balanced line up(when we finally put on a traditional left winger which was believe it or not Bebe)...people were meshing that Carrick and Anderson were poor, but in reality they were meshed out of the game by the lack of tactical nous since Phelan's takeover as assistant manager..
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Posted by kelvin on 10/18/2010
@chika
Can't agree that they are "scrap"..but definitely squad players...not consistent game winners.
$roope
You know, with what we have on the field recently, I can see where your comments are coming from...Scholes is a little old for getting up and down the field on every play....and neither Anderson nor Carrick sends the other side the same signals as Robson, Ince or Keane used to. Maybe Fletcher...or hopefully Gibson will grow.
I little steel in front of the back four is always welcome.
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Posted by Phil on 10/18/2010
its time to clean up and bring in new faces Carrick,Welbeck,Wes Brown,Obertan,Gibson,Norwood, Anderson,Diouf,Matthew James,Conor Devlin,Neville
should be all solid and new better players brought in
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Posted by olalusi sunday on 10/18/2010
why all this is happening to manunited i will like to to know much about transfer window
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Posted by ivan on 10/18/2010
What is wrong with everyone. There is only one problem-Ferguson. Yes yes I've heard all about what he has achieved, but has he? 2 champion leagues in 25 year.1 by luck when Ole came on,we were already dead and buried and 2 when John Terry slipped, and they say its the luck of the Irish (is Ferguson really Scottish?)
Ferguson killed United when he brought on Berbatov and fell out with Keano and Tevez (I wont list all the MANY others)And now Rooney looks set to follow.When are people going to stop blaming the players and look at where the buck stops.No one is bigger than Ferguson (oops sorry I mean the club)
DO ME A FAVOUR wake up people
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Posted by mike on 10/18/2010
how can all u people say sell Rooney? are u people serious? on his day Rooney is one of the best players in the world, he needs some time to get his form back.
As for the display i thought United were amazing for the first half hour, we should have scored 4-5 goals. Berba wasted a few chances, but Nani was on fire. Not near Ronaldo's standards but he is getting there.
Have faith in the team, especially SAF, He knows what he is doing.
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Posted by TheJepit on 10/19/2010
@Stripes
Agreed that no one should be bigger than the club, if Rooney wants to go, by all means let him go. We can always rebuild and glory days will be back.
@ivan
fergie may fell out with many but the trophy cabinet begs to differ. Remember one guy called Andy Cole, he was the club record signing in the mid 90s. For the first three seasons he was crap but Fergie was patient with him and he is now one of our legend. So stick to Fergie because players come and go but he is immortal.
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Posted by Eddie G. on 10/19/2010
All I can say is that United would have been well at the top of the table if we played 19-minute games instead of 90-minute ones. I'd beg to differ with Ivan who says that Fergie is responsible for United's current slump.
The facts are all there - the current squad CAN play good, tantalizing football. Furthermore, the ones responsible for the dropped points are actually not the attackers, but defenders. Mayhap if the past 5 or 6 games had ended in goalless draws would there be reason to believe that the gaffer killed his own squad. And the even greater irony is that this leaky defence is the very same one that went 14 games without conceding.
So that's my take on it. The team is still not functioning at its optimum level. And who can be blamed for that (be it the manager, the owners, the players) is really anyone's guess.
Still not worried about title aspirations... especially since Chelsea (thankfully) drew as well. Ho-hum
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Posted by mnazri on 10/19/2010
its probably too early to say Man Utd in crisis, but they are obviously not performing well right now.
I believe Fergie have a better understanding with his players, but in some point, yes he needs to turn things around otherwise they will be another no more league glory for United.
Technically there are no problem at all to getting a goals, but yes as most people say, their back four need a protection. Forget about Keano, but I think Hargo absence is sorely miss.
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Posted by mohd on 10/19/2010
our biggest problem is the midfield.there is no player to command the midfield and break up attacks and protect the back four. for all his goals berbatov has not convinced me. he's too individualistic. give a longer run to guys like macheda, hernandez. bring back cleverley.and its high time that saf and rooney sat down and had a long honest talk about their problems if any. and its high time that rooney applied himself to doing what he is paid for i.e scoring goals.once he begins to do that i am sure all the media attention on his personal life will cool down.
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Posted by neutral fc on 10/19/2010
If your looking for a player who is hungry and who would play for the shirt, look to the sea-siders. Charlie Adam is bossing the midfield for the tangerines. He's only 24 and you could get him on the cheap in January. He passes like Scholes, runs like Fletcher, good in the tackle, and has cannon like Gibson. He has a point to prove and would bring a lot more than what Carrick and Anderson are displaying right now. Just my 2 cents, I have been impressed with him so far. Great story.
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Posted by rajeev on 10/19/2010
manu ruulllzz...bt nw i wud hav to say manu follow rules.....wt man..wers our midfield
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Posted by titan on 10/19/2010
Please stop putting blames on carrick.This season he has been below his best, but if you check his performance over the last 4 seasons he's been around,he's been generally outstanding and consistent.He was there when we played and beat Roma,Barcelona,Chealsea(Finals),Arsenal,Milan and apart from his mistake against bayern he has performed very well in these games and nobody had cause to question his quality.He's very good at pasing and is particulally good with those suprise long ball from defensive midfield to the wingers.I guess we no longer plays that sort of fast wing play.it was really interesting,and with ronaldo on the wing our football was the best.Since ronaldo left and rooney became the central figure from last season the football changed to a more central one.Carrick is also a very good holding midfielder to sit in front of the back 4 and protect it.i wont forget his pass for NANI'S third goal against Arsenal in the FA CUP&goals against ROMA.HE played beta with Ronaldo&TEVEZ
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Posted by GT on 10/19/2010
I wish some of our youngsters would come good. Gibson, Evans, Macheda, Anderson, de Laet etc. etc. Why don't any of these come good? I am afraid, I don't agree with Gill on our 'youngsters'. Its been years since a good product came out of our academy. For years we had the strength to buy amazing players, so we have had some awesome years. but now, we don't have the money. Fergie should have thought about this before.
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Posted by O'tolly on 10/19/2010
We need Sneijder in that mid-field, and a good left foot winger maybe Bale can fit in for that.
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Posted by nob on 10/19/2010
i agr wth some writers abt Wazza...he aint as good as the papers say he iz. my only problem is on SAF's team selection, he seems to leave out de better team on de bench! yu need Scholsey ahead of Underson esp. after 15day rest...yu do not need Gibson to replace Giggsy nomatter how becoz Fletcher iz out. He ws right though when he left Rooney for Chicharito!!! sometime Berba is left out for Owen simply becuase owen wud hv scored in de previous week coming in as a substitute...dere ur some players who ur gd coming frm de Bench like Tevez to SAF PLEASE KEEP YOUR WINNING TEAM
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Posted by Bode Thomas on 10/19/2010
I think the time has come for Sir Alex Ferguson and Sir Bobby Charlton to stand up and decide on whose side they are:the Glazer's; or the future of United. Those two can't claim to be unaware of the exact situation of things, and they are joining the Glaziers in taking United fans for morons. Neither of them has got a lot left in them both in their official positions and age is catching up on them, especially Sir Alex Ferguson, and they both run the risk of discrediting everything they have given. If they don't speak up now, their memories will always read "He was a legend, a great man....but he kept quiet when the darkness gathered". And Rooney should stop blaming United for his situation......Capello and Robert Green messed up at the World Cup, he messed up his family.....so grow up, be a man, get your brains out of your ass, and earn the right to wear the shirt.
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Posted by JJD on 10/19/2010
We should have seen it coming. To lose ronaldo and tevez and not replace them. To persist with oldies (scholes, giggs, VDS) with no understudies in their positions or not allowing youngsters to blossom (kusczac, cleverly, macheda, diouf). To waste money on untried Bebe (we don't need more strikers) instead of attacking midfielders we let go (ozil, VDV). So where to put to blame? For all he has done in the past we salute, but for now SAF looks like at the end of his shelf life. Why rest key players against sunderland when a 15 day break was ahead? Bad decisions have come one after the other. SAF must not make the final fatal mistake of letting rooney go, one heck of a player who always waers the MU jersey with pride, you can't sell the haert and soul of our team and hope for no repercussions. When time is up, be gallant and go. Safe the club. And finally, O'shea and Owen have no business playing in the premier league anymore, no point persisting with them. Keep rooney and build team aorund him with youngsters. The season is still young and some brave decisions can stop the rot and safe our season. C'mon MU, time to deliver.
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Mark Payne writes about football for a variety of media outlets. He reported on the 2010 World Cup for Australia’s ABC network and worked at one of the FIFA fan sites. He has been ESPN’s Manchester United correspondent for four years. His writing attracts a worldwide following and in 2011 this blog was nominated for an award. To contact Mark for football discussion e-mail him on markpayne.editor@hotmail.com at any time. He wears lucky socks on match days.
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