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Posted by Wallace Poulter on 04/16/2011

Roberto Mancini is a very lucky boy, Paul Scholes can consider himself ever so slightly harshly done by and that has to be the most ridiculous 5 extra minutes ever added to a match.

I was, I admit, absolutely stunned by City's team selection and formation. Mancini got his formation, tactics and player selection wrong, again, coming out in a 4-2-3-1 and giving the initiative to United.

Now I know why Mancini did that. United also played a 4-2-3-1 with Nani and Valencia on the wings (Park in the AMC role, Scholes and Carrick as the "2") and the City 4-2-3-1 was designed to counter the play of Nani and Valencia on the wings. The problem was that Scholes, in particular, and also Carrick were running the game from their deep position (they are passers whilst de Jong and Barry are stoppers in such a formation).

Crucially about 30 minutes into the game, Mancini changed the formation into essentially a 4-1-5 with no central striker. Instead the five pressed high up the field where Scholes and Carrick were playing and started to take over the play. There were few open play opportunities because City didn't have any attackers at that point. But it turned the tide into City's favor and then they built on that. City have lost all of their recent games against United because they didn't win the midfield battle. They did today, but certainly in unconventional style.

Now regarding Scholes, let's get one thing straight. From the letter of the law he can have no complaints. He's gone in studs up and over the ball against Zabaleta and caught the Argentinian with a nasty shot on his thigh. Where I empathize a little with Scholes is the situation. It was as clear a 50/50 that you will ever see and a bouncing ball at that. Both Zabaleta and Scholes have gone for it with gusto and honestly you would expect nothing less from either of them.

If I can digress for a moment, when you drive there's a moment when you approach a traffic light at speed where, if in that split second, the light changes then you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Either brake harder than you would like or run through the end of a yellow light.

To me that's the situation that Scholes and Zabaleta found themselves in. The City defender went in studs up and under the ball and Scholes studs up and over the top. It was a nasty challenge and Scholes reputation for late tackles I'm sure also weighed on the referee's decision. I can't say that I wouldn't have made the exact same decision if I was the referee. As I said, you can't argue in terms of the letter of the law. The correct decision, but a little harsh is my feeling.

While City celebrate it would be nice to get an explanation from the FA regarding the five added minutes. That seemed excessive to the point of concern.

All in all a fascinating game. I was surprised by the team selections of both managers. United, as noted, have beaten City by controlling the midfield, but Park as an AMC doesn't seem conducive to that. I thought Ferguson would send out a 4-4-2 with Hernandez partnering Berbatov up front with Park on the wing and Valencia on the bench. In fact the formation that United played after Hernandez came on for Valencia in the second half.

I also wonder if Ferguson didn't take a calculated gamble. If Hernandez had started, then I think Berbatov would have left this summer because he would have fallen to third in the striker pecking order. Hernandez is clearly the player in form and the one United player I feared above all. I was delighted to see him start on the bench. Not only did Berbatov start, but when it seemed "obvious" that Hernandez should replace the Bulgarian, Valencia was pulled off instead. Ten minutes later, and after the sending off, Anderson comes on for Berbatov amd the removal seems more palatable. It is quite possible, likely even, that I'm reading too much into this, but it just strikes me that way.

Similarly did Mancini do the same? When Patrick Vieira came on the obvious candidate to be removed was Balotelli. Silva had, Toure's goal notwithstanding, been the man of the match, but it was the Spaniard that made way. Balotelli did, to his credit, do much more chasing in this game. There were times when Mancini and the bench were screaming at him for more, but chase he did. Having put in more effort than usual I suspect Balotelli would have been less then pleased to be removed. Again possible that I'm reading too much into this, but getting Balotelli into the team spirit and celebrating with his teammates at the end of the game is a way to get him out of his perceived moodiness.

City will play either Bolton or Stoke in the final. Given a choice, I'd take the trophy over Champions League qualification. Hopefully we'll get both.

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Posted by Weng Kit on 04/17/2011

Congrats... for beating up another 'noisy neighbour' Coming from a Arsenal fan. Have the same wish as well. Better to be a cup winner and champions league position as bonus

Posted by tuhin on 04/17/2011

Hi Wallace,

Good win for you guys last evening. United were outplayed in midfield and that coupled by some irregular finishing proved deadly. Kudos to Toure who was excellent on and off the ball, where he remained with Scholes all through when United had possession.

Although it's certainly not in my interest as a Manutd fan to say so to City, I still wish them well at Wembley.

P.S. - Your blog is excellent and different from others due to your technical analysis. Why don't you start a website separately to analyse other games as well?

Wallace Reply Appreciate the kind words. I'd settle for enough time to write for this blog every day!

Tuhin

Posted by Hari on 04/17/2011

Wallace,
About time we won against united dont you think? Astute observation regarding city's midfield-the change was why we bossed united after 30 minutes.United strangely lacked fighting spirit and their fans were quiet too.And keepin Balotelli on does make sense-this teams needs chemistry and unity and there is nothing better than a few scuffles-gets the team together as a unit.About Hernandez though,I personally feel he doesnt work well with berbatov-though he could have played up front instead of berbatov(SAF's comment about Torres is probably based on his own situation-having to play Berbatov)-What do u think?

Wallace Reply I think Ferguson would have "lost" Berbatov if he had played Hernandez as the first choice striker by himself upfront. I happen to be a fan of Berbatov. He's not, by any stretch of the imagination a classic centre forward. Far from it. His partnership with Keane worked well because Keane would do a lot of pressure work up top allowing Berbatov to move into position. I think Hernandez and Berbatov can work together but it wouldn't be instantaneous understanding.

Posted by Duncan Disorderly on 04/17/2011

I reckon you are seriously round the bend mate or just looking to stoke (no pun intended) controversy.

Scholes asaault on Zabaletta was an absolute disgrace but totally typical of this ginger thug.

Citys tactics and team selection were spot on. Initial;ly they were suffering nerves. Understandable given their poor performance against Liverpool and all the hype around United in the red tinted media.

Posted by hankinsohl on 04/17/2011

Another good post Wallace. Keep up the good work!

>> Mancini got his formation, tactics and player selection wrong

What formation/tactics/players would you have preferred?

Wallace Reply An Inter diamond with Barry, de Jong and Yaya in the middle, Silva at the top of the diamond and Dzeko and Balotelli playing up front. I thought Adam Johnson was wasted in this game and did very little.

Posted by Butler on 04/17/2011

Delighted about the win, but a few things still concern me.
If Barry can play like this, then why doesn't he do it every week? He raised his game significantly for this match, which suggests to me that he isn't really interested in giving his all for City unless there's something at stake. Reason for him to go, I think. He's lazy.
You're quite right about Zabaleta taking on the "Park" role in the squad. Always turns out for the big occasion.

Wallace Reply I think Barry's play is based on how he is positioned tactically. He had more latitude to roam and chase down and responded well.

Posted by Marty on 04/17/2011

Agree that it was the pressure on United in their half that changed the tide of the game, and led to the goal.

Interesting to see the Rags jumping on Carrick for the loss. While he did make the bad pass that led to the goal, Van der Sar made an error in the buildup as well and Berbatov was useless. If he puts in one of those two early chances, we would have been in trouble. And OPN has to be blamed for leaving out Hernandez who would have caused a lot more problems for our defense.

Great win though, can't wait for the final. And as someone pointed out, if United win the title and City the cup, we'll have a Community Shield to look forward to in August.

Wallace Reply Yes I agree that VDS was the culprit in the goal. Carrick was the symptom, VDS the root cause.

Posted by Jonathan Smith on 04/17/2011

Fantastic blog as usual.
You mention possibly Mancini keeping Balotelli on as a way to keep the striker happy and I definitely agree with you, but do you think it's a good idea? Is there any point keeping a player like that around if we have to keep him wrapped in cotton wool to get any sort of production out of him? Are there examples of this working/not working with a player in the past?
Thanks, Jonny

Wallace Reply Balotelli is incredibly talented. We've seen maybe 10% of his ability so far. Seriously. It's worth working to see if the club can get the most out of him.

Posted by dake on 04/17/2011

shouldn't Rio get charged by the FA over his chase of Mario after the final whistle? Balo was walking away and Rio continued to push him from behind.

I was in tears after yaya scored. not because we were up 1-0, but because the team actually played with gusto and actually played United with the confidence of a surging powerhouse.

Posted by Junior Aleman on 04/17/2011

Great class from Yaya beating Vidic and Van Der Sar. Important confidence win for the club going forward in pursuit of CL football. I think its time to start partnering milner with de jong if mancini insists on playin a 4-2-3-1, as barry gives the squad very little going forward and james can be more expressive in the middle of the park. Mario played with a lot more desire and hopefully that will continue. Wallace, any thoughts on reports linking city with alexis sanchez and/or javier pastore?

Wallace Reply I can't see City splashing the cash much more with the UEFA Status Quo rules.

Posted by kd on 04/17/2011

What a result, important performance in a massive game. I'm too used to Silva's class to declare he was best on field, MOTM for me was still Yaya, love how everyone is always surprised to discover he is not just a defensive midfielder, but a good old box to boxer a la Schweinsteiger.Nice for the flack throwing cynics to see some genuine camaraderie with the goal celebration, nothing like a high stakes goal to disprove the naysayers.

Posted by d on 04/17/2011

Wallace,
Good read as always.
I am sorry that United came out on the losing end of that one, but good luck in the final.

Posted by James W. on 04/17/2011

Hey Wallace, what do you think Adam Johnson's future will be like at City?

Wallace Reply I think there is a place for Johnson when City play a 4-2-3-1. The club sorely misses Bellamy's speed on the wing in such a formation which with Silva and Tevez or Balotelli or Dzeko would be lethal against some clubs.

If the club sings a top central defender then the club can consider playing a 4-4-2 in some games, and here Milner would play in the middle, and Johnson would fit there also.

Posted by Cody on 04/17/2011

wallace, i must disagree with you, but do so respectfully. I understand your points but I believe the 4-2-3-1 works against united. It worked in February where we bossed that game and it worked today as well. The midfield battle is what won the game for us and I don't think a 4-2-2-2 (like we played against sunderland and liverpool) would have helped us. I understand the idea of the inter diamond, but balotelli and dzeko haven't had enough time to gel to try them out in this important a game. Although johnson was quiet on the right flank, his link up with silva on corners and set pieces was very good and he always provides a threat at least for Man U to worry about. he even defended! I think the difference between this 4-2-3-1 and the formation we played the rest of the season was that we pressed our midfield and defense up, applying much needed pressure. Also, was pleasantly surprised that kolarov played within himself. when he does that, he is a good left back.

Wallace Reply Good points. Kolarov was the area of concern I thought going into the game and I don't remember him doing much, which in context is probably a good thing. The problem with a 4-2-3-1 against United is it gives Scholes time to play. Would be a shame if he retired after this year. Still adds something to the Premier League.

Posted by Daniel on 04/17/2011

I think Boateng could fit in beside Kompany. It's too soon to tell if he's not up to playing as a central defender.

Wallace Reply Yes, I'd like to see that experiment tried and also Mich Richards, but only when City play a 4-2-3-1.

Posted by Jon on 04/17/2011

Wallace,

Another fine post, but when all is said and done, Mancini has taken this club to a cup final; yeah, there was a bit of luck, but the drive of Yaya Toure in the second half for me was just incredible, and the desire of the lads to go on an win the tie for me made this the best moment for City since the wins at Stamford Bridge and over Arsenal at home under Hughes. Surely there wasn't a a player who just ran and ran and ran as much as the gigantic Ivorian? I don't know where to find such statistics, but to me his second half performance was his best in a City shirt, and you could tell how exhausted he was when he got through at the end and got tangled with VDS and couldn't move afterward. I honestly think this second half is on of the great performances from Yaya Toure. Silva was as usual absolutely magnificent as well; worked hard and tracked back and got stuck in. Even Balotelli put in a great shift. All I can say is how proud I was of yesterdays performance. Bring on Stoke!

Wallace Reply And bring on Tony Pullis... don't think our collective hearts could take a repeat of the last time City played against Pullis at Wembley.

Posted by Matthew on 04/17/2011

Hey Wallace,

Tremendous writing by you, as always. Short of the matches themselves, your blogs are the highlight of my City fandom.

Picking up on Jon's point about the scale of City victories--I've been waiting a long time for a win that felt like a defining moment in City's renaissance. They blew that chance last year in the 2nd leg of the Carling Cup v. United and at season's end v. Spurs and also this year against Dynamo Kiev. Yesterday's vanquishing of United is clearly the defining accomplishment of the Mancini era. My question as someone whose followed City since the days of Sven and has tried to brush up on their history since is how significant this win is in and of itself? If City loses to Stoke--heaven forfend--but finishes 4th, or if they win the FA cup but finish 5th, do you Mancini is safe?

Keep up the quality work.

Wallace Reply Should City win the Cup then this victory over United will be the most significant victory since the win over Gillingham.

I think Mancini is safe even were City to lose the cup final and finish outside the Champions League. This season, and I believe one year ahead of any realistic schedule, Mancini has moved the club into contention even before the side has come together as a team. If Mourinho were available, and I believe he'll go to Spurs if/when Redknapp goes to England, that changes things but otherwise Mancini should be safe.

Posted by Sean on 04/18/2011

even if we lost i was jus stoaked to see all the squad being "together". the group poznan after the final whistle was best moment of the season so far 4 me. Balotelli was interested and look what he can do.. what do u think of Bale getting PFA award Wallace ? A very very good player yes but surely has not had the influence of a Tevez or a Vidic ? or even VDS

Wallace Reply Bale is a very good player, but I don't think he should have won the ORBTIGT Player of the Year. Tevez has had the best season of anyone so far this year. Bale was injured.

Posted by Peter Keogh on 04/18/2011

I dreamt last night that you would post a blog defending the undefendable in Scholes. The fact that he's been sent off 9 TIMES in his career should tell you something about that ranger thug but you seem to be, as usual, more interested in berating Mancini than swelling with pride over our great win against UTD. Are you really a closet RED? The facts were that we were battered by them from the 10min-25 min mark but we started evenly & that with the formation & tactics you challenge. Look I'm sure Mancini has got it wrong on many occasions this year (no more so than the Pool game when he defied belief by bringing on Silva & de Yong at 3-0 down & risking injury) but the reality is we showed much more character & belief in the 2nd half & wanted it more than them - no matter the formation. Hopefully I will witness us taking out our first trophy in many years & gain 4th spot when I make it over from Oz in May. CTID.

Wallace Reply I believe Mancini has got it wrong a number of times this year. I also think he's on course for a Manager of the Year award given my expectations at the start of the year. These are not mutually exclusive...

Scholes is Scholes. His propensity for the late tackle is known. I just happen to think yesterday's situation was one of those things, not Scholes being thuggish.

Posted by JahJah on 04/18/2011

Wallace,

Good to see u posting more these days my friend. While reading your replies to comments I noticed you thought David Silva was the MOTM. I know he must be your favourite City player but I must respectfully disagree. I thought it was between Vinnie Kompany and Joe Hart. Silva seemed to hardly touch the ball. Normally he drifts in field and controls things but I thought he lacked that adventure especially in the first half where he seemed to only touch the ball a few times. Vinnie Kompany won the ball for us everytime he was up against it. Add to that his show of flair and the 25 yard curler and what you get is a captain inspiring a team forward and giving confidence. Joe Hart's Berbatov and Nani(deflection off Mario) saves were what won the game for us! 2 chances that most keepers may have blundered. Anyway, typical footy where the attacking players get the credit I guess though i take nothing away from Yaya's work rate and goal. CITEH!!!!!!!!!! :-D

Posted by micky-2-times on 04/18/2011

Hi Wallace,
Mancini surely is a lucky boy! A great team performance though. I was delighted when Hernandez was on the bench, a rare example of big red nose getting tactics wrong. Not sure if Mancini got his tactics right either, as AJ didn't offer much, and it was hard to see where goal chances were going to come from.
Scholes deserved his red card, no question. He gets away with dodgy tackles all the time.
What about Hart as man of the match, he was outstanding, kept us in it, although YaYa was immense! Even Balotelli was committed.
Was that a penalty late on as well? What was 5 min extra time about, heart stopping stuff.
Bring on Stoke! Lets not get carried away, nothing won yet.
Mourino won't go to Spurs if they finish outside top 4. Surely a perfect fit for Mourino is City!

keep up the good work, great idea from tuhin, why don't you write on other games as well!

Posted by Martin Nazimek on 04/18/2011

Wallace,
First of all I am very exited for our CITY!! Congrats boys and thank you. I tend to think of the Mancini tactics a little different. HE tried to play his team to his strengths and to counter what united put out there. After what should have been 2 goals scored in a matter of about 17 sec by berbatov, he changed his tactict. This is what won the match for us. After the change it was all CITY. This is a sign of a great manager. Now I know he get things wrong from time to time, but what I saw in this match is what I wanted from our manager for a long time. HE looks at his formation and sees its not working and changes it to counter the other team. This worked and united were left to pick up the pieces. This is why CITY won and we are not sitting here complaining that the manager didnt change tactics that did not work. Great work as always Wallace. Keep writing and I will keep reading. CTID

Wallace Reply Mancini is adept at changing tactics within a game, that's the experience from Italy where Mourinho has commented that they change and counter the change constantly in games. I just wish Mancini would get it right more often from the start of play.

Posted by Brent on 04/18/2011

Great post.

As for Scholes horrendous challenge on Zabaleta, we've come to expect that from him at this point in his career. He's never been a clean tackler. Has anyone else noticed the rampant attitude problem in United's squad? I've seen Rafael go in with two feet four times this year (all unpunished), Rooney's elbow to McCarthy, Nani's usual petulance, Rio's sanctimonious haranguing of opposing striker's reaction to contact all the way badgering the referee with every whistle that "goes against them." I'm beginning to think this mentality emanates from Fergie and it's pretty embarassing.

City played well. Took their chance while stifling United's attack after the opening minutes. I think Mancini has done well, albeit I don't think he knows how to coach attacking football in the least. The last bit is little surprising considering his career, but eh, Mourinho is from the same vein.

Keep up the good work, Mr. Poulter. Always a pleasure.

Posted by Chinmay on 04/18/2011

Hi Wallace,

I am not a city fan but I enjoy reading your blog as it is very different from the others. The tactical discussions and technical depth in your blog are really good. I think this is one of the, if not the, best footballing blog I have come across.
Thanks for your time :) keep writing :)

as for the game, I believe that Berba's ego is badly hurt already with Hernadez now being clearly up the pecking order, on top of the misses in this game... I think for big matches like vs Arsenal in BPL, in UCL semi, you will see Berba on the bench and then he will be on his way in the summer... thoughts?

Wallace Reply What's funny, and I forgot it as well, is that Berbatov remains the leading scorer in the Premier League this year. I think his partnership with Keane was perfect because they complimented each other so well. The question would be, where would Berbatov go. I'm not sure his style fits Spain or Italy and in England having gone from Spurs to Man United that somewhat rules out most of the other "obvious" destinations.

Posted by James W. on 04/18/2011

Hey Wallace, what are some players City should keep an eye on and bring in during the summer?

Wallace Reply I'd like to see City go after Jack Rodwell who I think could be a long term solution at central defender and an additional player in the mix for midfield as well. You could realistically deploy Rodwell in any of three major areas, central defender, defensive midfielder and attacking midfielder and it is that kind of flexibility that Mancini will need.

Posted by d on 04/19/2011

Wallace,

If City make the CL next season, what are your thoughts about how Mancini will juggle the squad? Pundits gave a big to do about Tottenham always having trouble domestically when they play in Europe. Will City have a similar problem?

Wallace Reply Given the players that City have I think it will be a challenge. It's not only giving players a chance but also making sure that the formations are correct, especially against the sides that City should beat and tend to struggle against. Without quality backups behind Silva and de Jong City will struggle.

Posted by DarkDefender on 04/20/2011

All and all it was average performance but great result. At the beginnning we seemed to favour goin through the midle rathar than from wings. When we changed that we started to get penetration. Mancini seems not to favour attackin play with good wingers with pace and skill to take on a defender. Also his buys have been poor. Now it seems that Tevez ia goin to go in the summer. He is not safe tell you that. Best solution would be giving Mancini another year and then enter Andreas Villas-Boas or make that change after this season. Mancini isnt the solution in long run. He is good for this particular time as was Hughes. But I'd get Villas-Boas. His record is impressive and he spent 6 years with Mourinho so he knows his tricks. Just get him...

Posted by Phil Grey on 04/22/2011

The great thing about your blog is that you have inspired some really interesting comments about tactics, Scholes, MOTM, where Berbatov might go etc. Apparently VDS thinks the older players "have the knowledge and composure in important situations". Probably thinking of himself and Giggs more than Scholes (I think there should be an Old Player of the Year Award). I agree with JahJah that Hart and Kompany were City's best players. I think Berbatov would work much better with Tevez than any of City's strikers. And I'm hoping Stoke will be happy just to be in their first ever final, and Tony Pulis would rather lose 2-0 than go through extra-time and penalties!

Wallace Reply There's an experience factor that City miss and could use down the line. Scholes and Giggs being a lot to United both on and off the field.

Posted by Mukul on 04/24/2011

What do you think about André Villas Boas?
Will he be good for city?

Wallace Reply He was my pick to be the new Liverpool boss in the summer. I think Dalglish may have torpedoed those plans with the Liverpool revival, but he's headed to the Premier League in the next couple of years.

Posted by AARON MARK HENDRIX on 05/10/2011

A few weeks late no doubt, but still able to capture the moment. And what a moment it was, beating chelsea 2-1 at home,and all but sealing the 19th title bar a HUGE COLLOSAL CATASTROPHE.OK,was kidding hahaha. City beat Utd on the day and whilst anyone who's anyone can argue bout the tactics,calls etc, City deserved the win.The FA Cup should be yours barring a HUGE COLLOSAL CATASTROPHE
Here's my Man Utd Fan Rates City Top 10 of the year
1.Carlos Tevez - Brilliant start.Dissapeared a bit in the 2nd half & will no doubt be off in the summer
2.Roberto Mancini - Damned if he does,damned if he doesnt.Question is,do your owners have patience?Money can buy almost everything,but patience.We'll see..
3.Mario Balotelli - Jury's still out on him,but he's class.You just need to find a way to harness it.
4.Adam Johnson - Would be a great addition to Utd's squad.Brilliant at times,simply brilliant but not yet there
5.Vincent Kompany - The Rock of your team,unless your blind!!

Part 2 to folo

Posted by AARON MARK HENDRIX on 05/10/2011

6.Yaya Toure - Has been very solid and dependable.Justified the price tag & wages
7.David Silva - Thought it was a risk and I was right,only, it was a risk worth taking!!Best Player for City this season.
8.Adebayor - Wonder what took ya'll so long to get rid of him?He's past his sell by date by a sell by date,and wont be signed by Real Madrid for sure once the loan ends.Back to you then..
9.The UCL - Bet you can see the finishing line now ehh?Welcome to the BIG time boys..Lets see how far you can go..
10.THE FA Cup - The first thing you might win in a kazilliontrillion years.Im not sure what the count is despite being a RED,but it sure has been long.You finally get a chance to put yourselves out of the misery & taunts but for Stoke City.A tale of 2 "Citeh's" this,and if you guys play to your potential,first silverware in a kazziliontrillion years to celebrate.Stoke might have somehtin to say,but one doubts that it'll be much..Anywayz,good luck and fabulous blog Wallace

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Wallace Poulter Wallace Poulter is an award winning video game producer, designer, industry consultant and writer. He has been a football fanatic since the day he moved in next door to Brian Clough. "Cloughie" being the acknowledged genius that he was promptly moved out and went to manage Derby. A serviceable senior school left-back in his youth, Poulter played one season of Sunday league football as a striker proving conclusively that he was a serviceable senior school left-back! Today Poulter remains involved with football as a licensed referee and most recently as a consultant on a Football MMO.

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