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I look at the table and I shouldn't complain. I look at the result against a team that beat Chelsea last time out and I shouldn't complain. I look at a gritty rear guard action by 10 men and I shouldn't complain and I look at Petrov getting a run in the side and I shouldn't complain.
And yet.
There is no rational justification from a personnel, tactical, strategic and any other perspective that you care to find for Stephen Ireland to be on the bench. None! Zero, zip and nada.
Ireland was comfortably one of the best five players in the entire Premier League last year and given that the superb reinforcements that have been brought in over the summer are all from the Premier League there isn't any reason why Ireland sits.
This is especially true when the starting line up against Wigan revealed that, oh dear, Micah Richards was starting at central defender.
This is what bugs me about Mark Hughes. He never ever learns. The definition of insanity, so it is said, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
The Micah Richards Richard Dunne pairing under Sven worked specifically because City were playing a 4-2-3-1 with Hamann sitting in front of the back four and City effectively playing 5 in midfield on defense. This helped protect the inexperienced positioning of Richards because it was so difficult to got through to him.
Last year proved conclusively that if you play a 4-4-2 with Richards in the back City will be on the receiving end. And so not surprisingly City didn't win. Richards is a good player, but he is not a centre back and you'll recall I was agitating for an additional central defender signing specifically because the team was lacking in numbers in this position.
If Richards was the choice, because Toure and Onuoha were injured and Kompany was by implication not back to full fitness - hence his position on the bench - then City should have played a 4-2-3-1 with Petrov and Ireland on the outside wings, Adebayor, yes Adebayor, as the Attacking Midfielder and Tevez up top. Barry and Johnson should have been the midfield pairing. Or if you want to be creative, put SWP on the wing and Ireland on in place of Johnson.
What you don't do is play a 4-4-2 and expose Richards.
As such a point is very much a point earned rather than two points lost because as soon as I saw the team sheet I was convinced that all chance of victory had gone out the window.
I know and appreciate the push back is "but we are up to fifth and challenging the big four." Nor am I under the mistaken belief that this squad is good enough to win the Premier League this year. We are seeing the benefits of no European ties already.
But what I get so frustrated over is that the team and its results are at 80% of capacity rather than say the 100% the club would be under a Mourinho. Hughes has built a fine squad in a short amount of time, results are generally good but you just get the feeling he was always the kid at school who got the expected marks with a notation... "Could do better."
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Posted by bigfatbaz on 10/19/2009
Fair point about Ireland but everyone who started yesterday also deserved to be in the team he hasnt been playing well enough of late to be an automatic choice as is Dejong or Barry.As for Hughes i think under the circumstances yesterday he would of bought him on round about the time of the zabba sending of but then couldnt,tactically i think you are being harsh about him,he is the right man for the job he must be given at least 2 more years.
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Posted by c on 10/19/2009
I think you shouldn't be complaining too much... if anyone would have missed out yesterday for Ireland it would have ben SWP. That said, however, the result was fair and not too bad. But we need to win the next two, and we will most definitely be on track ( 20 points at the end of October)... Looking at the fixture list, I figured out that we should get (should, mind you) 40 points by the end of December - to do so will require only 5 points during October, 9 points in November, and 11 in December. we are ahead of my projections so far, and on pace. I figured that with 40 by the end of December, and 37 the rest of the way, for a total of 77 points we would surely be in the top four. we will see how it plays out...
if we are in the top four at the end of the season, will you still be griping aabout Hughes??? just curious...
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Posted by Sebastian Blue on 10/19/2009
I too was worried about the line-up when I saw that Micah was paired with Lescott. But beyond just him being a rightback, it was worrisome because he and Jol are too much alike in their play. We lacked balance. Toure and Lescott--after they truly gel--will be a proper meshing of experience/sure-footed tackling and athleticism/pace. But Micah and Jol were one dimensional on Saturday and it is hard to believe Hughes was not conscious of this. If not for de Jong, in my opinion, being one of the best defensive midfielders in the world, and playing as such against a fairly fleet of foot Wigan midfield, we would have lost the match. I am wiling to reserve my judgment of Hughes until January but thus far his tactical prowess as been less than impressive.
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Posted by Chiuke on 10/20/2009
Richards should stay at right back Ireland should play, petrov needed to be on the pitch if for no other reason than to reward his previous performances but what about bellamy he's probably been our most inform player in recently times. its not like we gotta rest players for the Champs league and why can't kompany play CB I say play him there and keep him there and we have enough players in all positions. I would opt for a 4-3-3 formation with Petrov, manu and bellamy upfront barry Ireland and SWP in mid and bridge lescott Kompany and richards on the back line. Tevez de jong and zabaleta could've been subbed on in the second half. If you wanna give other players a chance ease into it dont change positions throw three or four subs into the starting line up.
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Posted by Perry on 10/20/2009
Ireland needs to be in the side. Period.
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Posted by Jason on 10/20/2009
Hughes is Terrible....
His week in and week out experiments are making it hard for a team of a lot of new faces to blend....
The 4 3 3 is the best formation for this squad as shown in the Victories! This formation allows SWP to get a lot of space behind Tevez on the right...
Playing a 4 4 2 with Barry and De Jong in central midfield offers nothing from midfield in terms of attack, instead forcing players like Tevez and Adeb to do too much work in order to get the ball forward from our own half....
The key to this squad winning is the roaming runs of SWP, Ireland and Robinho (When healthy) enabling Tevez and Adeb to get free instead of having to face up against 4 defenders all alone.
In all the team put forward by Hughes on the weekend was a negative approach and was clearly a team to play for a draw and not the win.
Disappointing.
JOSE for 2010!
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Posted by Landen on 10/20/2009
Ireland needs to be on the pitch. Period!
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Posted by Evan Georgiou on 10/20/2009
Just once I would like Hughes to play without a weak full back....also Petrov is overated by the fans...he cannot tackle which means that Bridge will always suffer...so when they are fit and with SWP losing the ball far too often....this is our strongest TEAM..
Given,Ned,Kolo,Vinny,Jolo,Barry,De Jong,Superman,Bellers,Tev and Ade
Bench.Taylor,Zab,Barry,Robbi,RSC,SWP,
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Posted by lex on 10/20/2009
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think SWP is droppable. Take him out, and put Ireland back in. He provides that bit of attacking guile and class.
Would be very interesting to see Johnson partner De Jong or Barry.
I totally agree, City are not at 100%, and the lineups contribute to this.
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Posted by c on 10/20/2009
wow... a lot of people griping about Hughes and waxing idiotic about tactics... the proof will be in the pudding mates - that is, results are all that matter and time will tell if Hughes is doing the necessary job or not. If we make the Top Four at the end of the season, and are in the Champs league next year, I don't see how anyone could argue with that, and I definitely don't see the owner sacking Hughes if we make the Champions League...
This is the problem with having so deep a squad - players who deserve to play have to sit, because you can only play eleven. People who say Ireland should play ahead of Barry or De Jong are absolutely crackers.
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Posted by Jon on 10/20/2009
We've got 8 points from 5 away matches this season. If we keep this rate up we will pick up approximately 30 points away from home this season. Now, if we assume we get the same number of points at home (39 by last seasons total) that is 69 points total. The number of points gotten by the fourth place team the last four years is: 72 76 68 67. So, if Hughes can improve by just 1 point in 5 away matches that would put us up to 73-75 points for the season. Which is more than likely gonna mean champions league football; when many of us would have accepted Europa league, those are pretty good odds.
Personally, I think Hughes is doing a good job, and he is getting results that we didn't get last year (wins away over blackburn, pompey, draws with Villa and wigan are SIX more points than matches against those same teams last year). City for Champions League!!!
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Posted by Danial on 10/20/2009
Seems that most people are going overboard about City not "performing" up to their standard. I know that we bought a bunch loads of superstars left, right & centre but Hughes and Cook has been telling everyone that it is still a team in progress.
Away draws to Villa & Wigan? Away wins to Blackburn & Portsmouth? The City team a year ago would have capitulated easily. People, we're now number 5 with a game in hand! What more can you ask other than just enjoy the ride.
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Posted by Ted Keen on 10/20/2009
So let me get this right.
In all competitions its played 11, won eight ,drawn 2 and lost 1 and yet still comments like 'Hughes is Terrible'
Boy what a tough crowd.
I mean what exactly do some of you want?
In case you don't get it this squad of players is the first in decades that has a chance of actually winning something.
The club also has a manager for once who has the strength of personality to do it his way.
Still I guess some of you can't forget his dark past and (sadly) actually want to see him fail.
And by the way Ireland has had by his standards a very ordinary start to the season so he is going to have to step up a gear to get his place back.
Thats the idea of a having a good squad isn't it?
Finally....Jose for 2010.
Christ I bloody hope not.
Posted by Gus on 10/23/2009
So let me summarise what all of you are saying, including you Mr. Poulter
Hughes out!
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Wallace Poulter is an award winning video game producer, designer, industry consultant and writer. He has been a football fanatic since the day he moved in next door to Brian Clough. "Cloughie" being the acknowledged genius that he was promptly moved out and went to manage Derby. A serviceable senior school left-back in his youth, Poulter played one season of Sunday league football as a striker proving conclusively that he was a serviceable senior school left-back! Today Poulter remains involved with football as a licensed referee and most recently as a consultant on a Football MMO.
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