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In a turn-around of what was originally expected, Jupp Heynckes did, indeed, field a sub-par starting XI in Manchester on Wednesday. With Bastian Schweinsteiger still out for a couple of weeks, Toni Kroos and Arjen Robben not even making the flight to Ingerland, and then the subsequent flu scares of Thomas Mueller and Mario Gomez, Jupp let the bench play.
The 46,000 City supporters (minus 2,600 Bayern fans) in the Eithad Stadium were unusually quiet until Silva opened the scoring for the Citizens on 36 minutes. Which leads me to believe, contrary to what any City fans have lambasted me over, that the Champions League is very important indeed. Yaya Toure doubled the lead 7 minutes after the re-start with some lovely give-and-go work between him, Aguero and Dzeko.
The uncommon Bayern bench did well to acquit themselves in this match. And for a bunch of guys that never play together, despite the loss, it didn't get out of hand. Props to Ivica Olic for his break and screamer narrowly saved by Joe Hart. Tymo and Pranjic also both had good days, and nice work-rates, even managing to get some offense going. And I loved Jerome Boateng's goal-line clearance after Aguero had slipped past Butt. Good stuff, that.
And like everyone else in a pub, I was also watching the Villareal - Napoli and the Basel - Manchester United matches. To see Napoli score their opener, and then 30 seconds later, to hear the energy deflate in Manchester, made for a most enjoyable loss. And almost as good as the last time we lost in that city.
Bayern, as group winners, are on to the Round of 16. And the Europa League just got infinitely more exciting. A Schalke-supporting friend of mine tweeted after the match that their chances of winning the second-tier competition had just dropped considerably. And I'm sure the footie channels that have rights to the Europa League matches are salivating. Now, is the Champions League a worse-off place with the losses of Manchester United and Manchester City? Perhaps. But, plenty of people, world-wide, were happy to see them go.
But at present, a match against Stuttgart looms. Hopefully, we'll be righting the ship and firing goals in to the break--- extending our lead at the top of the Bundesliga.
Wir singen, wir tanzen, auf jedem Fussballplatz!
Ein Schuss! Ein Tor! Die Bayern!
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Posted by Salim Abdulatif on 12/09/2011
Hi Susie, i was happy Napoli went through although i felt pity for City but i knew they could be a threat in later stages of the competition. I hope we don't get Ac Milan next, the other remaining teams are also dangerous but we can beat them. Who do you want us to draw next?
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Posted by grudnik on 12/09/2011
AC Milan is the only team that would be scary out of the group of potential opponents, but, at full strength, Bayern should be able to take care of them as well.
As far as City, maybe I would feel for them more if I didn't encounter so many annoying City fans here on ESPN. They are arrogant and abrasive, and have a giant persecution complex (not all of them, obviously).
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Posted by Harshad on 12/09/2011
Alex has been put on the transfer list by Chelsea, and I think Bayern could look at him, because Van Buyten would probably last only till the end of this season (though he is in fantastic form at the moment) and the Bayern backline needs a reliable, experienced defender. Alex, though not a perhaps a best-in-the-business defender, is still quite good, and has won the Premier League, and played in the Champions league.
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Posted by Ajeesh on 12/09/2011
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Posted by Digga on 12/10/2011
I'd like to 1st say I am a City supporter. Bayern has an excellent squad, Top 5 in the world at full strength in my humble opinion. Congrats on winning the group you deserved it. Now in response to Harshad you say City fans have a giant persecution complex, but many fans of other teams, particularly world-class squads resent the fact that Mansour has come in and spent gazillions to "buy" success...That geezer in charge of your whole operation Karl-Heinz whatever, takes every opportunity he can to say something negative about City. But I ask you don't all these other top teams spend gazillions as well? They just didn't do it in 2 years, they have "pedigree", excuse me but bulls*it. This is 2011 and this is football in this day and age. I feel along with your traditional powerhouses the new money influx for many teams has been a revitalization for European football....Russian and middle eastern billionaires do your thing. Survival of the fittest.
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Posted by Jack on 12/10/2011
@ Harshad
Couldn't agree with you more. Also, Badstuber is by far the worst defender I've seen in a while.
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Posted by Stevavo on 12/11/2011
Yup Badstuber is useless and Im tired of my fellow Bayern supporters defending him week in week out
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Posted by grudnik on 12/12/2011
Stevavo,
Once again, I ask you (and you've failed to answer me in the past), if Badstuber is as bad as you say, how does he continue to be first choice both at club and at national team level?
What is it that Heynckes and Loew fail to see that you do?
Incidentally, who was the worse defender today? Badstuber played a solid game, while van Buyten tried to give the game away to a 10-man team.
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Posted by grudnik on 12/12/2011
Digga,
It was me, not Harshad, who made the comment about the persecution complex by Man City.
First of all, most of the top teams spend large amounts of money, I'll agree to that. The difference between teams like Bayern and City is that Bayern operates as a legitimate business, and turns a profit every year. They spend within their budget.
City are trying to buy success (along the lines of Chelsea), without building the brand and the youth system first. That is what turns most football fans off.
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Posted by Stefan on 12/12/2011
Grudnik, read my reply to your posts, I clearly answered your questions...
Boateng should be starting at CB back for Bayern regardless of whether Badstuber or Van Buyten is his partner. The defense is so shaky and generally this season it has been Badstuber that is the weakest link. Last season was a disaster with those 2 and that paring will always get found out in big games. Loew and Heynckes I think like Badstuber's distribution on the ball and Heynckes plays him because he is a young german international and is left footed. He does not have much competition for the left sided spot internationally and Loew is still experimenting to find his ideal pairing, which shd be Boateng and Hummels in my mind as it was at u21 level. Badstuber was ball watching for the goal conceded against Stuttgart, gave away a goal against man city, failed to tackle rosenberg against werder, etc, etc. He is a poor defender but decent with the ball at his feet, an that is an objective evaluation unlike your
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Posted by Larry on 12/12/2011
C'mon...you can't tell me that the name Holger Badstuber doesn't scream DEFENSE, if not bad A$$! Like everyone, he has his good and bad moments.
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Posted by Dan on 12/12/2011
are you all haters of badstuber, give him time and you'll all see what he is gonna become
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Posted by MingTze on 12/12/2011
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"...his ideal pairing, which shd be Boateng and Hummels in my mind as it was at u21 level..."
@Stefan:
During the finals of the European U21 championship in 2009, which Germany won, the center back pairing was Boateng and Howedes. Hummels did play in the championship game against England, but in defensive midfield (and did very well there).
Hummels was hampered by injuries in 08-09, so I am not sure how much, if any, he played with Boateng in central defense during the qualifying campaign and the lead-up to the finals.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/13/2011
To everybody who is hating on Badstuber: Just stop. Every defender makes mistakes and defending isn't just up to the central defenders it's up to the entire team for one. Secondly, 3 world class coaches (yes v. Gaal is world class his was in the final of CL at least 3 times, that's no coincidence) that have played Badstuber can't be wrong. Even the guy who used to be in charge of the youth at Bayern (his name escapes me at the moment) who is a legend at Bayern recommended him to begin with. It's more likely that YOU are wrong instead.
It's just that the defensive behavior of the team has changed recently and not for the better. That makes the defense look bad. But they just look bad.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/13/2011
Digga, since you are so respectful unlike a lot of your peers I'll answer you in a respectful way. Teams like Bayern earned their success and money over the last 40 to 50 years and gotten where they are today the long and hard and painful way (generally accepted as the right way, you work hard--->achieve your dreams).
City on the other hand has a guy who hands them the money to buy buy buy. I could maybe even tolerate that if not for a whole lot of City fans that really piss me and other Bayern fans off.
That's no way to behave when you are the new kid on the elite block (for better or worse City is elite now).
By the way I don't see 4 teams ahead of Bayern, maybe 2, just maybe. Ok, UEFA says Bayern is 4th but Chelsea is only 3rd on paper and I expect Bayern to correct that this season.
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Posted by latibaba on 12/13/2011
on debate on Badstuber,for any objective argument,critics of this guy should simply try to understand the fundamental of a team,particular in a game tagged SOCCER.
1)everybody is responsible for any error that leads to a goal(team memeber are meant to compliment each other).
2)He is just 21,and need to grow into the game.talent isn't problem when it comes to BADST
3)Every stakeholder in bayern knows what is good and cannot compromise for whatever reason
4)He has being tested and confirm by more than 3 professional coaches.
5)bayern have lost some young valuable players in the past on this basis and would never make such again.
6)this guy is an UTILITY player!
7)No player has being the best at thier younger age.
8)can you mention how many of his peers that are doing as good as he is doing,even with his error?
9)you can count his error,what about his saves?
10)the moment Badstuber perform below Bayern standard.he will not spend the next morning in the club.
Mia san mia
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Posted by grudnik on 12/13/2011
Well, Stevavo, if you say your evaluation is objective, and mine isn't, then it must be true!
But, on the vanishingly small chance that you might not be as objective as you say, your reasoning for why he continues to play is weak.
If all Heynckes and Loew want is a young guy, who is good with his feet, and don't care about defending, then why aren't they playing Kroos or Mueller back there? That would solve their logjam, and they should be even better than they are now, right?
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Posted by Stevavo on 12/13/2011
Okay Grudnik, so you are therefore saying that my opinion that Van Buyten and Boateng should be the starting pair for Bayern is wrong? Even though Van Buyten has been rated as Bayern's best performing player this season along with Schweinsteiger by Kicker one of the most respected publications in europe and Boateng has consistently performed and proved to be a superior and more gifted defender than Badstuber???? That sounds like a pretty sound argument to me, that and also the fact that multiple times Badstuber's individual errors and limited defensive skills have lead to conceded goals... just in the last three games alone, he was ball watching when stuttgart scored in his zone and it was his man that scored, he gifted a goal to Toure against Man City and he failed to make any kind of tackle and was easily beaten by Rosenburg against Werder before he scored. So your condescending smug comments are actually the most unfounded as there is clear evidence on the pitch.
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Posted by d on 12/13/2011
Dear Susie the rot, I read this post from time to time, and I notice that there are always tiny slights toward the only team in manchester, and I'm curious, are you still upset about 99'? Gloating after a win is fair. after all, as one unnamed genius put it "football, bloody hell"! Cheers, good luck in the round of 16.
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Posted by Stevavo on 12/13/2011
Oh an when it comes to other young CBs that are performing well just look at Germany, Howedes, Hummels and Boateng were all instrumental in Germany winning the u21 euro championship a couple years back, Badstuber was not even considered. He was poor last season in a disastrous defense under van gaal and has been poor this season following a few good games when he was protected by Schweini. Loew has only recently played Badstuber as a starting cb because I suspect he doesn't see any other options on the left side of cb, with the insistence of playing Boateng at RB and Hummels at right cb. In any case the evidence is on the pitch week in week out that Bayern have a weak link in defense in the form of BADstuber, and I will literally have proof every week both for Bayern and Germany when Bayern play quality opposition to prove this point, furthermore in every game Badstuber has not played objectively Bayern have experienced a much superior defense and that is a fact.
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Posted by grudnik on 12/13/2011
Stevavo,
I'm not saying you're wrong about which combination is the best. It's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but I happen to disagree.
As far as kicker is concerned, I haven't seen the actual article, but I am willing to bet that van Buyten being rated highly has more to do with providing goals from a position that usually doesn't, than it does with his defending. When he is on, he is a very good defender, but, too often, especially for a tall player, he seems lost on crosses and corners.
But, the underlying beef I have with your assessment is this: I am not arguing that Badstuber is the second coming of Schwarzenbeck, I am simply saying that you are way off base when you claim that Badstuber is a poor defender. Experts, including Heynckes, Loew and van Gaal disagree with you, and so do I.
He has his weak points (lacking speed is one), but overall, especially with an accompanying CB with speed, he is a solid defender, strong in the air, and a solid tackler.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/13/2011
Stevavo, congratulations, you've been taught to argue well. But you are wrong nonetheless. A young, talented Badstuber will be instrumental for Bayern in years to come. Sure at his young age he's got some deficits but he'll only get better through playing and he is good enough to play, he is good enough to deserve playing by which he'll improve even more. As far as kicker, yes they are respected but have you forgotten 2 years ago when v Byten and his "even more talented" colleague Demichelis have single-handedly lost the CL final? Where were his talents then when Milito took him out like he wasn't even there. Bayern is better advised to let a young player get pitch time, instead Byten. For my part every time Byten plays when he gets the ball I'm close to a heart attack. If it were up to me they would have gotten rid of his "talent" last year along with Demichelis. I see games where Byten plays shitty and then he scores and still gets a good mark, people get blinded by that.
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Posted by Stevavo on 12/14/2011
I never sad Van Buyen is world class, but generally this season he has been good; strong, powerful in the air, well positioned and intercepted well and his lack of pace is covered well by Boateng, who I believe has the most potential out of the defensive players; fast, sharp, strong, great tackler. I tried giving Badstuber a chance this season after the disaster last season but he continues to be very suspect when defending despite being very good on the ball. Since Bayern's great defense of 2001, they have made some regretful decisions in terms of their defensive players; selling Lucio and Hummels, sticking with Demichelis, Breno, playing Van Buyten when he was in poor form and I believe Badstuber is going to cost Bayern as well (he generally does). I feel frustrated in that Bayern brought in defensive improvements this season in Boateng and Rafinha and when used have been great but continue to be benched or played out of position.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/14/2011
Stevavo, trust me I'm not happy with our defense but just saying. When it comes down to playing a average 33 year old vs a 21 or 22 year old with a lot of room for improvement I say let the kid play. On the other side Buyten should just really be filling in from the bench when he is needed to allow Boatang/Badstuber to develop a partnership while Rafinha should be plaing on the wing.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/14/2011
oh and remember who got rid of Hummels? Klinsman, oooh that guy, he still gets my blood boiling. I don't understand how anybody would hire him as a coach ever again. He fooled somebody again I guess.
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Posted by Shekhar on 12/15/2011
There is also one more thing, when watching a match from home, you only see the defensive errors, you never notice them when they shut out a player...
With Badstuber's lack of pace, whenever he gets caught out or tries to cover for someone else he is more likely than not to get caught out, because of his lack of pace. Besides I'll put more faith in what Jupp Heynkes, Herman Gerland, Louis van Gaal and Jaochim Loew have to say then what i personally think. Let me achieve what they have then i can talk.
Until then i say have faith...
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Posted by grudnik on 12/15/2011
DanUS,
Technically, you can't blame Klinsmann for getting rid of Hummels.
First of all, coaches aren't responsible for player transactions, which is the responsibility of the manager, in this case, Uli Hoeness. The coach is obviously consulted, but the final decision is not his.
Also, he was loaned out while Klinsmann was coach, but he was sold when van Gaal was in charge. I'm sure the success of Badstuber was a factor in deciding to let him go.
I full agree with you on the lineup, and I've said the same thing in the past: BadstuberBoateng in the middle, with Rafinha playing the RB position. I'm still puzzled on why they keep playing Boateng on the outside, when it seems that his strength is in the center.
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Posted by Stevavo on 12/17/2011
Badstuber was promoted into the 1st team at a later stage by Van Gaal not by Klinsmann, Badstuber had nothing to do with the sale of Hummels. Hummels was in the 1st team squad and it was a lack of judgment that lead to his departure or rather a master stroke by BVB. The game against Cologne was the perfect type of game for Badstuber, it required little defending and allowed him to utilize his biggest talent, his distribution. However in bigger games against testing opposition you will see him get exposed, mark my worse, keep an eye out if you don't buy my opinion. I just hope Boateng gets his chance at the centre regardless of the Badstuber/van Buyten debate because he is the real talent in the Bayern defense in my opinion.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/18/2011
I agree Badstuber had nothing to do with Hummels. I remember Hoeness saying that Klinsman wanted to get rid of Hummels and he made the difficult decision to sell/loan him because he didn't want to appear as if he was meddling in the coach's affairs and that he was being overbearing. Stevavo, I do agree that Boateng should play every game. Rafinha also by the way.
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Posted by hakimunich on 12/18/2011
i think one of the reason why heynkes sometimes played boateng on the right instead of rafinha, was obvious.. he want to get the best out of every defender.. when you look at the first several games where bayern had more than 1000 minutes of clean sheet, heynkes rotated boateng and rafinha according to who the opponents were.. when they played against opponents who often used set-pieces/striker's aerial ability to create chances, like mainz or hoffenheim, boateng would be the obvious choice.. but when heynkes thought that the defense needed pace, or wanted more attack-minded player, he put rafinha in there.. but then again as it was hard to score against bayern during that wonderful spell, opponent teams got used to using set-pieces/crosses to create chances, which is why I think now boateng often plays instead of rafinha, so that there're 3 big defenders in the team.. but then again as soon as schweinsteiger was injured, nobody could protect the back four as effective as he had done..
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Posted by Stevavo on 12/19/2011
Yup its also interensting that van Buyten has remained the captain and starting cb for Belgium despite two top class defenders in Vermeulen and Kompany also in the squad, with Vermaulen being pushed out left. So Van Buyten cant be that bad if even against world class defenders at an international level he is prioritised. In any case he should rotate with Badstuber based on the type of opposition Bayern play, and Rafinha and Boateng shd be the consistent starters rather than the ones being rotated
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Posted by grudnik on 12/19/2011
Stevavo,
You must have misunderstood me. I didn't say Badstuber was inserted by Klinsmann. My point was that Hummels was loaned out (which they usually do with players that they want to keep, but they think need to develop, but aren't ready to assume a starting role at Bayern, like Lahm and Kroos) during Klinsmann's time, but he was permanently sold after Badstuber became a starter. Whether that was a factor, I don't know (and neither do you), but I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
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Posted by grudnik on 12/19/2011
Stevavo,
Don't look now, but with your van Buyten argument, you just sunk your own case against Badstuber.
Badstuber can't be that bad, if he continues to start at CB for Germany (which is worlds above Belgium), despite having Mertesacker, Hummels, Hoewedes, and Boateng.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/19/2011
In my opinion the only thing Buyten has on Vermaulen or Kompany is 7 to 8 years more in experience. However, I see Buyten as average and Vermaulen and Kompany slightly above that. I guess as a coach I wouldn't want to risk getting slightly more talent with far less experience.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/19/2011
hakimunich, that might very well have something to do with that but then again it might now. Badstuber and Boatang are fairly tall guys and they Neuer in the back as well. In addition with set pieces etc they can always get Gomez to help out who is not known to be a short guy either and really those 4 should be enough to control any situation requiring height.
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Posted by Jack on 12/19/2011
Would there be any chance for Marco Reus this upcoming transfer window, or any other new players? If Olic does leave, we will be mighty thin on the striker position, with only Gomez, Mueller, and maybe Peterson, depending on his progress. With Robben as injury prone as it is, and the occasional Ribery send-off, we would only have Mueller and Kroos as legitamate players. Usami needs to progess more, and I havent heard about Pranjic for a while. These guys won't win games against Real Madrid or Barca, without everyone healthy. I like Badstuber, but maybe a short loan spell would help, and maybe go after Alex from Chelsea. He would fit well with Boateng or van Buyten.
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Posted by Stevavo on 12/20/2011
Grudnik, how have I sank my argument? Boateng has been played at RB for Germany, Hummels at RCB, and Howedes is not proven world class yet as he is inconsistent in an inconsistent Schalke team. As I have mentioned I don’t think Loew sees any competition for Badstuber in the LCB spot. Mertesacker is seen more as a RCB as he has always played there for Germany, but is nowhere near a world class defender either. I’m pretty sure that Kompany and Vermuelen would start over Badstuber in any team as they are top class defenders, if you argue against that then u are really deluded. Taking this season into account I have read and seen statistical evidence praising the performances of Boateng and Van Buyten, and not Badstuber. But my point as it always has been is that Boateng and Rafinha should start and Badstuber and Van Buyten shd rotate rather than the other way round, that and the fact that Badstuber is an average defender when exposed as we have all seen but few wish to admit.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/21/2011
Oh man Stevavo, have you seen that game against Bochum. Admittedly, not the finest moment for any player on the Bayern team but Buyten was awful. I wish so badly for them to get rid of this guy. Now a 2nd division side has pulled a "Milito" on Buyten. I was terrified every time this guy was near the ball let alone on the ball. I guess we can argue all day long about Badstuber but Buyten, this should be clear by now, should be at most at a club like Malaga (along with his buddy Demichellis). I think if not for the occasional goal this guy would be seen for what he is.
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Posted by grudnik on 12/21/2011
Stevavo,
Let me rephrase it:
Yup its also interensting that Badstuber has remained the starting cb for Germany despite two top class defenders in Boateng and Hummels also in the squad, with Boateng being pushed out right. So Badstuber cant be that bad if even against world class defenders at an international level he is prioritised.
Sound familiar?
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Posted by Anonymous on 12/22/2011
Does anyone else find it frustrating that all the other Soccernet blogs get updated at least twice a week?
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Posted by Stevavo on 12/24/2011
The point of this discussion is not about Van Buyten, the point is that the Boateng and Rafinha shd be starting and that Badstuber is a poor defender, he and Van Buyten are neither solutions in my eyes going forward unless Badstuber drastically improves his defending skills. Argue until u blue in the face the evidence is on the pitch esp against decent opposition, where he lacks the defending talent that define top class defenders.
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Posted by grudnik on 12/27/2011
Stevavo,
Don't look now, but Kicker has ranked Badstuber as the top defender in Germany, ahead of Hummels, van Buyten, and, in 7th place, Boateng.
Meh, what do they know about it? They're just the most respected football magazine in Germany.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/27/2011
Ok guys (Stevavo/Grudnik), I mean this is getting out of hand. Having a differing opinion is one thing but really it's not like it even matters. It's not us who are making the decision anyway so let's enjoy a rare English speaking Bayern blog (as long as those City wankers don't interfere that is :) ).
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Posted by grudnik on 12/27/2011
What else are we going to talk about?
The BL is on winter break, the players are kicking their feet up, and winter camp doesn't start until Jan 2nd.
I wouldn't keep arguing if Stevavo just left it at not liking Badstuber (I would disagree with him, but he would be welcome to his opinion).
When he questions the intelligence of people who don't agree with him, in the face of all the facts and experts' opinions, well, that's like poking a bear with a stick.
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Posted by Jack on 12/27/2011
Would there a possibility of us picking up another center-half, like Alex of Chelsea?
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Posted by grudnik on 12/27/2011
According to everyone in Bayern management, there will be no players coming or going this season, so I would say, no.
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Posted by Jack on 12/27/2011
I'm not too sure about the second part of your sentence, grudnik. Olic may go to Wolfburg.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/28/2011
Jack, grudnik is right. Management said nobody is coming and nobody is leaving in January. Next summer Olic has already said he'll leave. Then he may very well go to Wolfsburg.
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Posted by grudnik on 12/30/2011
Here you go, Stevavo, the kicker ranking of the best central defenders in Germany for this season: http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/562535/2/slideshow_badstuber_zieht_an_hummels_vorbei.html
The translation of the caption for Badstuber:
"After intense discussions, the voting of the kicker editors was clear: Holger Badstuber is in front of Mats Hummels. In the summer, the Bayern defender wasn't even in the rankings, but an all-around convincing half-year put him at the top. Especially in the buildup of plays, the leftie has high qualities, seldom does he play a useless pass."
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Posted by grudni on 12/30/2011
In Boateng's defense, part of the reason he is ranked 7th is that he has played 9 of the 21 games at RB.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/30/2011
Surprised the hell out of me that Buyten is up the in top 3 but I guess the old man has finally become much better just before the end. honestly he's always been solid but his ranking in my eyes has gone down since the CL final.
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Posted by grudnik on 12/30/2011
A lot of van Buyten's ranking has to do with scoring 4 goals from the CB position.
When he is on, he is a very good defender. Unfortunately, you never know when he'll have one of his weak spells.
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Posted by DanUS on 12/31/2011
hey grudnik you are a hardcore Bayern man. You should be over at THEOFFSIDEdotCOM. I know Susie is doing the best she can but over there they got people writing about Bayern like twice weekly and there are good discussions going on. This goes for all the other hardcore Bayern supporters too.
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Posted by Jack on 01/04/2012
Thanks, DanUS. I googled Bayern blogs and found the offside. Love how it's updated pretty often.
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Posted by Stevavo on 01/05/2012
Grudnik, I never insulted you? Other than commenting on ur condescending attitude when ppl disagree with ur opinion, I have kept all my comments purely to my opinion and why I believe that. Badstuber is a great defender on the ball but is weak when defending I have seen it too many times, and my opinion therefore will not change. As a lifetime Bayern Supporter that comes from generations of Bayern supporters from Bavaria and having played the game quite extensively, I feel entitled to my opinion and feel credible in my observations. I do not believe in Badstubers DEFENDING ability especially against quality opposition and have seen better performances at CB from both Boateng and Van Buyten against quality teams.
In other news Bayern need a new more committed, regular blogger on espn.
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Posted by DanUS on 01/05/2012
I was thinking for a while about jumping on board and joining Susie in doing a Bayern blog but then I considered my time constraints and now I appreciate what Susie is doing even more. Coming in from time to time and just adding a few comments is one thing but sitting down and writing something interesting, that's a whole other ballpark.
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Posted by Stevavo on 01/06/2012
The other blogs get updated twice weekly as one person commented, so I think if you going to commit to blogging about one of the biggest clubs in the world on one of the biggest sports networks in the world you have got to be a bit more committed, maybe Dan and Grudnik could get involved?
Their are so many sites and blogs that information can be mined from therefore assembling a piece together weekly or biweekly on the off season shd nt be too much of a push.
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Posted by grudnik on 01/06/2012
Stevavo,
I react in kind, my friend. By stating that your opinion was objective and mine was not, you opened yourself up to criticism and condescension.
I've stated many times before that you are entitled to your opinion, on Badstuber or anyone else, as am I. But I take issue when you repeatedly belittle Bayern supporters who don't share your opinion, and imply that you somehow know better than them.
Guess what, I am also a lifelong Bayern supporter (born and raised in Munich). I have also played extensively (in fact, after 40+ years, I'm still playing competitively on multiple teams), and I also feel that my opinions are well founded. The fact that all the relevant experts agree with me supports my point.
And, unlike you, if the facts change, I will adjust my opinion. If Badstuber actually starts playing as badly as you say he does, I will be the first to call for his replacement. I did the same for DeMichelis.
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Posted by DanUS on 01/07/2012
@ Stevavo: in theory you are right but would it be really worth to blog for 10-20 comments? And look at this big sports network, they barely update anything on Bayern as far their staff writers are concerned let alone bloggers. I think there are much better sites for true Bayern fans this one. If ESPN doesn't show us the respect well too bad for them we'll go somewhere else.
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Posted by Stevavo on 01/11/2012
Grudnik, lets make a deal, after the second half of the season and euro 2012, lets re-adress the Badstuber topic and based on his performances we can both make an informed judgement about his performances on the pitch? If he proves a start defender I will humbly change my opinion if he does not well...
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Posted by grudnik on 01/12/2012
That's fine.
I'm just curious why we can't make an informed judgement on this half of the season.
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Posted by Stevavo on 01/15/2012
Well simple, because the second half of this season will be more telling, at the end of this season Bayern will have faced serious tests in the champions league and Germany will face massive tests in EURO 2012. This will all also be a massive test for Bayern and Germany's defence and Badstuber, so we will get to see his ability and potential as a world class defender against world class teams, therefore allowing us the opportunity to make an objective judgement
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