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Posted by Sam Limbert on 12/07/2011

The defeat in Greece was, in most respects, completely meaningless. However that doesn’t mean it wasn’t disappointing to see Arsenal get turned over given our recent form as a club. It also served a reminder of the dark days of the not-so-distant past, when our defence looked shaky and we were prone to spectacular goalkeeping mistakes.

Our first team defence, which had been beginning to look settled, is now going to be without its’ left back for the foreseeable future as Andre Santos picked up an ankle injury. We now have no fit full backs, either on the left or the right. Despite being our best centre back, I suspect Thomas Vermaelen will fill as a left back, with Johan Djourou as the right back. Laurent Koscielny can then move back into the centre to play with Per Mertesacker.

It also means we’re one injury away from Sebastien Squillaci playing regularly again. Having said last week he had a good game against Manchester City, Olympiacos saw the return of the Squillaci that we thought had played his last game for Arsenal. Per Mertesacker might have some critics, but he is such a massive improvement on Squillaci.

Staying with the defence leads to the issue of goalkeepers. We saw both Lukasz Fabianski and Vito Mannone in Greece, and both of their performances have made fans love Wojciech Szczesny that little bit more. It almost seems unfathomable that Szczesny was behind Almunia, Fabianski and Mannone in the Arsenal goalkeeping pecking order at this time last year.

For the first Olympiakos goal, Fabianski was a bit hasty in coming off his line and the striker easily rounded him. Before getting injured, he was almost lobbed after a poor clearance. If we thought Fabianski didn’t inspire confidence, the way in which Mannone conceded the second goal took things to a completely different level. Initially, the Italian did well in clearing with his head, I don’t blame him for going out to clear when Squillaci was meant to be defending it. However with the ball going back towards goal, Mannone seemed to forget that goalkeepers can use their hands in the penalty area. It’s fair to say his attempted volleyed clearance wasn’t overly effective.

Honestly, when I saw the second goal I couldn’t help but laugh. In many ways it was football comedy gold. However if that happens in an important match, or if Wojciech Szczesny gets injured, it won’t be a laughing matter.

In fairness to both Fabianski and Mannone, it’s difficult to be thrust into an atmosphere like the one in Greece having played very little football this season. They were always going to be lacking match sharpness that can be very important for goalkeepers when making judgements. However, the harsh reality of top level football is that you can’t afford to need time to get up to speed in a game.

Going forward, we didn’t create as much as I thought we would with the likes of Oxlade-Chamberlain, Benayoun and Arshavin occupying the three attacking positions behind Marouane Chamakh. All three of Oxlade-Chamberlain, Benayoun and Arshavin showed glimpses of danger, but we couldn’t sustain a solid amount of pressure to really test the Greeks. Benayoun’s goal was extremely well taken though, and as we head towards the busy Christmas and New Year period, I think he’s going to have a big part to play in the forthcoming weeks as we’ll need to rotate.

Overall, it’d be wrong to read too much into the match as the players were always going to have the safety of being top of the group in the back of their heads. They were never going to truly exert themselves, and with Olympiakos needing a win to have a chance of going through, it was going to be hard for the team to match the intensity of our opposition. However some of those in blue on Tuesday could have been playing for their Arsenal futures, and they didn’t give as much as they could, or should, have done.

We don’t need to dwell too much on Tuesday night, and there are still plenty of positives. It will have been a good experience for Emmanuel Frimpong, Francis Coquelin, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Ignasi Miquel, we’re still through at the top of the group and the majority of the first choice XI at the moment had a well-deserved week off.

The next match on paper doesn’t look like a special one, with Everton visiting the Emirates on Saturday. However the club are using the match to mark our 125th anniversary, making it a game we won’t want to lose. Everton have had their traditional slow start to the season, however they’re never a team you look at in the fixture list and assume that you’ll get three easy points.

With Manchester City facing Chelsea, at least of the clubs around us will drop points, so we need to win to keep the pressure on. If Chelsea lose, we could climb back into the top four, and that would represent an excellent bit of work from the club, and would be a good checkpoint from which to push on to finish higher in the rest of the season. If Manchester City lose, they’re still too far ahead at the moment to realistically think about challenging them, but someone has stop them threatening the 2004 Invincibles. If Chelsea don’t do that, then who better to do so than Arsenal next week?

A win against Everton would be the best preparation for that.


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Posted by trevor on 12/07/2011

I didn't like Wenger playing TV and Santos and was having kittens everytime Vermaelen went down.

I was thinking we might surprise Man City next week with our defence looking ever stronger. However, with Santos out and Djourou coming back at RB I think I'll write that game off.

We need to fight really hard for the rest of this month until Gibbs comes back and prey no-one else gets injured.

It might be a risk worth taking playing Miguel at left back, as Djourou is very poor at right back.

Posted by Francis Sim on 12/07/2011

I have to agree that Djourou was very poor for the match and I feel that he is even more inconsistent compared to Squillaci. In fact, I find Djourou being caught out of position way too often. His positioning is questionable too.

Overall, I think the match is a poor one. Chamakh is clearly not good enough to lead the attack and the support from Arshavin is just not enough.

Posted by Gris Gris on 12/07/2011

I would love to know what the Boss was thinking playing TV and Santos! He played with fire and got burned! Personally I thought Miquel looked right at home filling in for Santos and would not be surprised to see him there for Everton with Koscielny staying at right back.
What was most disappointing about the match was the lack of performance by the few senior players who got a run out, especially AA and Vermaelen. It seems as if Arshavin just is not capable of anything right now; his future at Arsenal will be interesting.

Posted by Patrik on 12/07/2011

Hello, agree with first comment "write that game off (mancity)". If our defence will look anything like yesterday ever again I don´t see the possibility for us to win even a schoolground game.

The various heights of comedy that the backline and goalkeepers bestowed upon us last night was something else. Even if the game itself was of no importance I find it hard to believe that such a game won´t leave an imprint on the players involved.

Djorou, Squillachi, Mannone and Fabianski had a less than perfect evening and to judge by the look of their faces they were aware of it.

It was a bit like Rome and the arena with christians and lions. The outcome and the expressions were there for everyone to see. I allmost felt sorry for Djorou.

Still, I dont think Mancity is a proper game for Djorou to try to regain his konfidence.

Posted by Dan on 12/07/2011

Sam, 's rather surprising that you did not mention anything about Chamakh...or about Park. Does this mean that Wenger preferred/prefers the former over the latter? Did Tuesday's fixture do anything to change that?

I really do think that PJY has the potential to be a reliable, viable reliever for RVP. We're flirting danger by not preparing for the worst - Van Persie cannot continue his run of form forever. Why delay answering the question of "who" until then?

Posted by Professor Reginald Merryweather III on 12/07/2011

I've been thinking about the 4 top choice defenders we currently have available. Vermaelen, Mertesacker, Koscielny and Djourou will probably all start next game, unless wenger decides to reward Ignasi with a starting spot after he played pretty well against Man City and Olympiakos.

I've been wondering about the optimal lineup for those 4 center backs from a mathematical standpoint. Lets say Vermaelen is a 9/10 at center back and an 8/10 at outside back.
Mertsesacker: 7 at center and 4 at outside back
Koscielny: 7 at center back and a 7 at outside back
Djourou is a 6 at center back and a 4 at outside back.

Now let's say the goal is to organize these players so the team yields the highest score when they're all on the field together.

In your article, you assume Djourou will play at RB and Verm at LB with Kos/Mert at CB. Total score: 26

Let's say we put Kos at Rb, Verm at LB and Djourou/Mert at CB. Total score: 28

its really all a bout Djourou, who is a much better CB than RB

Posted by Raza on 12/07/2011

Honestly, the game served as a horrifying flashback to the pre-Schezny days when we were clamoring for Wenger to bring in a new GK. Anyways, I dont think anybody can fathom why Santos and TV were playing in what was a meaningless but rough away game, and now we have Santos injured! But I was quite impressed by Miquel; that lad looks like he could fill in at left back too.

Posted by Monty on 12/07/2011

Sam, do you think Ignasi Miquel should be given a run in the starting XI at left back rather than having vermaelen switch over and putting djourou at right back? Maybe it's just me, but I think he's been performing significantly well over the course of his last few appearances.

Sam Limbert: Thanks for you comment. Ignasi Miquel is definitely an option and I've been impressed by him in the last couple of games. I think Vermaelen will start there, but Miquel is a good option.

Posted by dobson on 12/07/2011

Like Trevor has said i was actually suprised that Wenger played TV or Santos,we had no need for that game,last thing we wanted is an injury which we have with Santos now but most important for me is the confidence level,i dont want TV or any of our back4 playing in loosing games,it removes their present invincibility.Against Everton i think Miguel should just play at left back,i feel better with him than Djourou or TV moving out of CB.Positive of this game shows AW that the likes of Arshavin, Chamhk, Squillaci should be allowed to move on,they have been given more than enough opportunities to prove themselves,we also are in dire need of another striker and from what we saw last nite a goalkeeper,if Woj gets injured we would be in real trouble.I am happy we are going into the market in January,i also want a Chelsea win or worse case a draw,City has to start to drop points.Well lets take a game at a time and do the business against Everton,am always weary of games like this at the Emirates

Posted by Leftcoastgooner on 12/07/2011

With the transfer window looming this shows how thin the Gunners are at the back. In truth the team is just a couple of injuries away from having Squillaci a regular in the middle of defence and your pick of poor inconfident goaltenders( I prefer Mannone) between the pipes.
Will anything be done about it this January?
hmmmmm? I'm skeptical at best. Perhaps if someone takes Chamahk and/or Arshavin monet will be available but this is wishing and fishing.

Posted by monaro on 12/07/2011

Well said Trevor only that Djourou is very poor at everwhere!! That lad just doesn't have any clue how to defend. His passing is bad. His read on the game is non existent. Not to mention his football logic is pathetic. Just like Sendoros and Eboue. Just can't understand why Wenger still uses him. This sort of players are inclined to create, as Sam called it, "football comedy gold" moments. Flush them out from our beloved club, Wenger!

Posted by david fitch on 12/07/2011

The game against Everton is a minefield with the 125 years and all the stuff that goes with that hope the players keep their focus on gaining 3 points and not allow the day to effect them.Hope Miquel does get his chance to play with three best defenders that Arsenal have will give him the confidence he needs.The win against Everton is vital my heart tells me Arsenal can beat city but my head says a draw would be a good result.

Posted by dobson on 12/07/2011

Prof football aint mathematics,Djourou is a disaster waiting to happen,we saw glimpses of it last nite so why ship him into CD?Verm and Mer in CD and Kos at RB is our best for now and like you see from everyones post Miquel is preferred at LB.We must never move Verm away from CD.Having said that,i do fancy us doing really well at the UCL,we just need to get someone like Podolski in Jan,he is not UCL tied and we are allowed 3 more players to register in the competition and we could also get another goal keeper since Almunia is off in January.I dont thrive in other clubs mishaps but i want to see what the press would say about the Manchester teams not making it out of the group stages,if it happened to us,we would be labelled a DEAD club now,am also so happy Nasri and Clichy would be playing Europa league football while our guys would be playing the UCL.

Posted by anonym13 on 12/08/2011

Wihout VP the forward line looks ordinary. Chamak just can not hold onto the ball or receive passes properly. No awareness.Arshavin when dribbles looks great but no end product. If Arsenal had taken the chances properly then would have been 1 up or 2-2.Also Frimpong must have now realized why he is not getting first team chances. for all his running/tackles, his awareness & passing was poor.was not quick to react to the situation. The game must have tought a lesson to some of the players why quick passing/ball keeping skills are more important than just rough make your presence feel tackles

Posted by david gatz on 12/08/2011

May sense and logic reign on AW. Simply keep off Djorou and Squillaci from Saturday's game. Totally agree with most views, Miquel plays LB, TV and PM at CB and Koschielny RB. Am impressed by the latter. He has proved so many people wrong. Upcoming Ignasi has much future at Arsenal and only more first team games..

Posted by Arsenal4Life on 12/08/2011

"United are red, City are blue, they both outspent Arsenal but Arsenal got through!!"

Posted by DaveC on 12/08/2011

Sam, good summary of the match, it is always at a very high standard. Here's a few points that I what to add for some of our Arsenal prospects :-

- Goal keeping -- I think Mannone is a much better keeper than Fabianski. He has the look and authority of a good keeper. It is unfortunate that he has to come out to make such clearance because of the error in our defence.

- our defence -- if possible, I hope Arsenal will not play Djourou ahead of Miguel for our starting XI. Djourou does not have the positional sense to be a good defender. Sometimes in football, either you have it or, you don't. Miguel is no doubt a tremendous prospect for Arsenal !

- our midfield -- I think we should be happy with all our midfielder on the night. it was a very intense match from the opposition and I think they handled reasonably well, despite not played regulary.

- our striker -- Chamahk and Arshavin is just not good enough, although I think Chamahk did at least try.

Posted by CanadianGooner on 12/08/2011

Okay, first of all people are exaggerating on djourou being really poor, a couple a weeks ago he was a beast at RB in the city game and at least one other game. TV in Greece was just as bad as everyone else so people need to stop scapegoating. DJ at RB will be fine, TV at LB works and Kos who has been simply amazing for a couple months now can work with Mert at the heart of the defense, I recall them linking very well in our recovery. Arshavin is done, Park deserves a shot over Chamakh.

Posted by keith on 12/08/2011

After a few weeks of positive analysis on our first team performances, Sam has now given us a reality check on our reserves. I have said this since the beginning of the season when Arsenal was spiraling down the table. Djourou has no potential and he is just as bad as his countryman, Senderos!

I also think that whichever scout who recommended Squillaci to AW last season should be fired! He is by far the worst buy in recent history. I will be shocked if AW were to use him again even if there are injuries and we are running out of options. The combination of Fabianski, Djourou and Squillaci in the team sheet will not spell fear to their opponents but we gunner fans will have a nervous 90 min!

Posted by Glenn on 12/08/2011

I am disappointed we lost the group stages last game,
but the best result is
London 2 - Manchester 0

Yeehaa bring on the big boys.

only main concern is Santos,

lets celebrate 125 years in style.

Gunners for life ...............

Posted by Naka Adigwe on 12/08/2011

Arsenal is not the most luckiest team when it comes to injury's we now have to hope that what we have is enough to carry us until the first choice left and right back are fit again.

The other problem arsenal have is there attack we need someone who looks like he can score 20 goals a season to help V.P. if we can get someone like that if believe it might even help van persie to score more goals because there would be less pressure on him to score.

Posted by jogu on 12/08/2011

I too wonder why Arsene Wenger had to play Santos and Vermalen in a game where we didn't need a result. Let's hope our good run doesn't unravel at this critical time of the season. I foresee a tough Everton match, but we'll win.

Posted by Slav on 12/08/2011

How long will that little dwarf Arshavin get money from Arsenal for nothing? Knock that freak out of the team

Posted by Ethan on 12/08/2011

Hi Sam,great article written by a true blood.
I believe AW started the game with the aim of winning.Our second team is just not up to the standard yet.But it's a good learning experience for the youngsters. As for the seniors,they lost another chance to prove their worth.
What happened to Santos is really unexpected.Man U played with 4 CBs before,so I don't think it's a problem for us.Key is to stay fit.Injuries were really our killer for the past seasons.If the second team can't keep up,we would end up with nothing as usual.
Whether to buy or not,it's really up to gaffer.He trusted his players and are loyal to them.
Everton is a tough opponent.We should not take it lightly especially now that we have lost a key player.Hope the painfully built up momentum is not lost.

Posted by Sam, Jakarta on 12/08/2011

What we need is a solid defense, most importantly including a tough stopper who can keep at least 30 clean sheets a season including 7 in UCL knock out stage, a power house in midfield about twice as effective as Viera, a superb player like Bergkamp to provide delightful assists and/or score beautiful goals and a striker twice as good and prolific as RVP. Until then, let's not be too hopeful Arsenal will ever lift a trophy in any tournament. Believe me it hurts me to write this as I love arsenal too.

Posted by Tchyd on 12/08/2011

It'll be silly to leave Miguel out and play Djouro at right back. look at it this way. Djourou at RB will be brutally exposed and exploited all game. Miguel at LB may have a few uneasy moments due to his inexperience, but he has played above average in that position(while DJ has been far below average at RB). Although i know AW has the tendency to self-desruct(like he did playing TV and Santos or like he will by refusing to buy in Jan), so i expect him to play DJ and drop points against Everton and City.

Posted by titansgunner12thman on 12/08/2011

Djourou is doo doo. Ship him to Fulham with his compatriot, Senderos. If the Swiss are relying on those two...
I agree with most on this blog. The young Spanard should get a shot on the left. Djourou is an experiment that has gone bad. Kolchelny Vermaelan, Mertesacker and Ignasi should be our back four until Santos and gets back.

Posted by lapardo on 12/08/2011

chamakh has a father-son relationship with wenger.he didnt deserve to play at all.what a waste.he should realize he should try hard if he want to play for the gunners

Posted by I. Nace on 12/08/2011

I like your articles Sam, cause I'm an Arsenal fan, but you're so nice! Say it straight. A few players are not good enough for Arsenal! Fabianski good goalie, but no patience at all rushies all the time, that's why he put himself in trouble and the team several times now. Djorou not attentive, almost every game will make mistakes which cost. Every one does, only humanly, but so often(think Cahill). Squillaci like heis not on the field for certain periods,looks like he doesn't like to play(think Samba throuwing his body to stop shots at goal). The youngsters need more time and the rest fine. Midfield, Arshavin is good but not so much,like take it easy, how long? Rosicky is an enigma? That's why they're on the bench. The rest of midfield is great mostly. Jury is out on Diaby, though I like him a lot. Up front, Chamakh, I don't, cheap. AOC great and for the future, we just need 1 center d and 1 forward. Today you can't make too many mistakes you'll get punished in every league or game.

Posted by chuckles on 12/08/2011

I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but, I would take Eboue back before I ever put Djourou in the squad again, am I the only person who thinks he's useless? and Sam, even though Vito made that monumentous howler, he did make some decent saves later in the match.

Posted by Kunle on 12/09/2011

Is it the same djourou that most arsenal fan rated as our best defender for the early part of last season that i'm still seeing now or another one? it's hard to think i'm still watching the same djourou that marked out drogba at Emirates & kept out Tevez at both legs of our matches with city last season.He played like a demi God against barca at the Emirates & all arsenal fan stll remebers our lamentation that Newcastle came back from four goals down cos Djourou went out injured.It's hard to comprehend what on earth has happened to djourou over the last few months.someone needs to show him the tapes of those matches i just mentoined maybe he ll remember how good he used to be and buckle up.For those gooners calling for his head,that's too harsh and i think we should give him some time to find his way back.at least, he has the potential.

Posted by Jamison on 12/09/2011

Looking at the current standing... 4 consecutive wins before the New Year would be my christmas list. Winning 4 get us considerable closer to the 1st or Second position with Man City gurantee to drop points against chelsea. If we survive the 4 games, then January is all ours. We can enforce the defense with signing like alex or cahill and get a top notch striker. Wenger should not hesitate to sell chamakh and arshavin for 10 million each to get the quality striker and defender that is needed.

Posted by GEORGE on 12/09/2011

MIQUEL IS RATHER TOO SLOW.TRUST ME IT WILL BE A DISASTER PLAYING HIM IN PREM.

Posted by KENNETH on 12/09/2011

hi Sam,

what a blog!Football entails taking risk at times that is what prof Wenger did though this time around it back fired.
As for saturday's match i will prefer TV plays in the middle of the defends while Miguel mount the left side so that we have a continuous and consistency in the back line. DJ is too heavy and always look carried away on the pitch as a result he makes school boy errors.do have a nice weekend

Posted by Anonymous on 12/09/2011

Fellow Gooners, you all need to see the post below.It's written by a city fan & i guess it sums up what has become of samir Nasir.

Wallace Reply "I'm a bit perplexed by Nasri to be honest. I never saw the value of buying him as a full-time starter, and for the money the club paid that has to be the way they were looking at him. To my mind he's the back up for David Silva and I'd like to see him given a run out performing that specific task to see how he meshes with Milner etc.

Wallace Reply "I'm really curious to see City try a 4-1-3-2 at some point but rather than with Silva as the pivot, instead play Silva and Milner on the wings with a licence to roam and Barry playing in front of de Jong with Aguero and Dzeko/Balotelli up front. So not the stereotypical 4-1-3-2 by any means. Have no idea if it would work, but you need to keep Milner and Silva on the pitch, but there are times de Jong has to play".NO MENTION OF NASRI.HE DOESNT HAVE TO BE ON THE PITCH. talk of grass to grace

Posted by Meverick lee on 12/11/2011

Arsenal is the best. I m meverick . I m frm India i like u . . I like prsi,gervinio,arshwin,risicy. . They r best i hav a advais please change GK to almunia he is th best nd he suit in arsenal. . . He need to play. . . Nd gervinio is realy a v.good player ...... Like nasri but u did very wrong to sell nasri nd clicy. . . Keep going wenger dont be said always be happy nd always keep positive thinking. I knw u wil be very soon coming to top at manu place . . .. . U r bert wenger . .be positive . .i also play realy very gud football. . I m lefty but nw a days i m practicing footbal free style. . I m 15 year old when i becom young thn i wil com 2 u for my selection in ur team. . Ok best of luck for future

Posted by Trint on 12/12/2011

Still curious to me why people want Cahill and Samba. Last check of the table show both of them going down and their teams are 1 and 2 in the league with most goals allowed. Realize it isn't all on them but they play a big part.

Sam (great post btw), surprised you didn't mention the central midfield. Frimpong and Coquelin were overrun and both had poor nights. I thought they moved out when Arshavin or Benayoun dropped deep but it seemed to be too quick for the young guys. Makes you really appreciate what Song and Arteta do!

Posted by jose on 12/12/2011

AW should go ahead and snap Cahill from sinking Bolton in January.We still need a CB option,he should also get a reliever striker.
We surely need a trophy this season,otherwise our senior players will get more frustrated.

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David Young Sam Limbert: My retirement as a football player came at the age of 14 due to being rubbish, it's fair to say I was more Kaba Diawara than Thierry Henry, so I turned my focus to writing about the game. I'm a lifelong Arsenal fan and have been lucky enough to watch the team across England and Europe. My favourite Gunner of all time is Dennis Bergkamp, and the 2004 Invincibles is the greatest side I've ever seen in English football. I try to be positive about the Arsenal as it's the hope that keeps us going! Follow me on twitter @SamsMatchReport.

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