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In considering how Arsenal's midfield might shape up next season - or rather, how we would like it to shape up next season - one question looms large over all others: will Cesc Fabregas still be at the heart of matters come August or will he have departed for Barcelona?
Earlier in the season, there were a few rumours coming out of the club that he could very well be off this summer. Those mutterings seemed to dissipate as the Gunners maintained their title challenge for far longer than most pundits had predicted. However, we still had to cope with the insidious drip-drip-drip of Barca players coming out in the media, saying how much they wanted Fabregas to come and play for his hometown team. In the past few days though, the temperature has risen once again on this particular matter and the portents don’t bode well for the Spaniard continuing to lead the Gunners next season.

Will He Stay?
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The latest batch of quotes coming from Barcelona officials seem to state that Cesc has "expressed a wish to play for the club", therefore, they will look into signing him. Suggesting that any possible move was instigated the player's desire to join Barca rather than being any of their doing is a new low for a club that seems to delight in tapping up players by proxy.
Of course, we have seen it all before with various Arsenal players but most notably Thierry Henry. The Spanish club systematically used the media to unsettle the player over several seasons. Every summer, Arsenal supporters had to endure the torment of wondering which way the club’s greatest goalscorer would jump. As it turned out, Arsene Wenger managed to hold onto him for the best years of his career and, as lovely as it would have been to have seen him finish his days at Ashburton Grove, he was allowed to go at the right time in his career - at least from an Arsenal point of view.
The same cannot be said of Fabregas if he decides to move on. Whereas we were lucky enough to have Henry during his peak, as good as he has been so far, Cesc’s best days are still ahead of him. He is also the man who Arsene Wenger has chosen to build a team around as part of the Frenchman’s overall strategy of developing a squad from the bottom up over a number of years and to lose him would be a massive set-back.
The problem with Wenger’s masterplan over the past few seasons is not so much that he has put his faith in youth, it is more that it doesn’t account for the transient nature of the modern footballer. The idea that a team that would grow and develop together to become a force for many years to come is a beautiful one but it is a notion that is ultimately flawed by the fact that players tend not to stick around like they used to, particularly if they are any good.
“One club men” have always been a fairly rare breed. It is probably no coincidence that the five most prominent examples still playing in the Premier League today - Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Gary Neville, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher - all were either born or grew up in close proximity to the clubs for which they would later star. Maybe the manager should be looking more towards the likes of Jack Wilshere, Craig Eastmond and Henri Lansbury to be the lynchpins of the next ten years.
Because Fabregas is so central to Wenger’s plans, it is hard to imagine the manager not fighting tooth and nail to keep him. However, it would seem that the broken leg that Fabregas sustained towards the end of the season might hurt Arsenal beyond just his absence in the final weeks of the season. Having undergone most of his recovery in Spain, it is easy to imagine him having his head turned by the media over there and being got at by his fellow Spanish internationals.
We, the little people, don’t get any say in whether he stays or goes - so, in that respect, it is probably better just to ignore the stories and only worry about things when there is something to worry about. We all knew that it was likely that Fabregas would return to Barcelona at some point in his career. It would just be a shame for him to do so before he had led the Gunners to trophy success.
If it happens sooner than we all imagined, some might seek to blame Wenger for not signing better quality players to play alongside him but it would be grossly ungrateful for Fabregas himself to use that argument as an excuse. Cesc owes a huge debt of gratitude to the Frenchman for putting so much faith in him at such a young age. And if the worst does come to pass, we can only hope that Arsenal screw Barcelona for every last euro in the course of the deal because the manager would need to put the proceeds of the sale to immediate and effective use.
The fact of the matter though is that he hasn’t gone yet and is still an Arsenal player - and hopefully that will remain the case. However, his departure, should it happen, would leave a void that needed to be filled and just the thought of it does highlight that the Gunners still look short of quality in midfield, particularly creatively.
Samir Nasri has done more than most in taking a step up in terms of both his individual quality and taking responsibility in the middle of the pitch. Alex Song has also carved out a niche as the most effective defensive-minded midfielder in the squad. But when you look at players like Diaby, Denilson, Rosicky and Walcott, they all seem very much of a muchness in terms of quality and consistency. All have looked decidedly average for large parts of the last season and in some cases you wonder what key individual attributes they actually bring to the midfield, if any.
You then have young players like Aaron Ramsey, Craig Eastmond and returning loanees Jack Wilshere and Henri Lansbury. The first priority for Ramsey is to recover from his injury but the others need assimilating into the squad for the good of their development. How do they get game-time though with so many players seemingly “ahead” of them? The chances are that some of them might go out on loan again but you can’t help wondering whether actually they might be hungrier and better than some of the players who have all too easily been given regular starts.
The one thing that the midfield needs to improve on massively over the coming year is its defensive work. The work rate and level of aggression needs to be vastly increased. As stated, Alex Song is the man upon whose shoulders most of this effort falls at the moment but he cannot do it all on his own. When he got injured at the end of last season his absence was felt almost as much as Fabregas’s. Arsenal supporters have been crying out for a combative midfielder to be added to the squad for a couple of years now and to genuinely improve the squad’s prospects over a long season we have got to hope that Wenger sees it that way too.
In terms of paying for the acquisition, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over any of Diaby, Denilson, Rosicky or Walcott being unloaded as make-weights but you would think that the first two on that list might be the fan’s favourites for the chop were any of the midfield to be sold.
So, the acquisition of a new ball-winner, the pruning of the current midfield and the further development of youngsters like Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshere would seem to be the way forward. Again, I don’t think drastic changes are required and neither will what is suggested here cost the earth. But going back to where we started, so much rests on what will happen with Cesc Fabregas and, torturous as it may be, we can only wait and see what happens there.
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Posted by Chris on 05/18/2010
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Posted by Tom on 05/18/2010
I agree with almost everything you have written, David. I do think however that Arsenal may need to be more proactive regarding the possibility of losing Fabregas. A list of potential replacements needs to be identified without delay. While Cesc may stay for the coming season, it may make sense to bring in an understudy immediately regardless.
As you indicated, Arsenal do not need additional personnel as much as upgrades in midfield. Fabregas' potential departure may, in fact, force Wenger's hand in this regard and pave the way for the team to challenge for league titles for years to come.
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Posted by FCBarca on 05/18/2010
The problem was this statement:
>>>The idea that a team that would grow and develop together to become a force for many years to come is a beautiful one but it is a notion that is ultimately flawed by the fact that players tend not to stick around like they used to, particularly if they are any good.
This applies to clubs who do not develop their own youth players of which Cesc is of Barca's...There's a reason why Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Valdes, Puyol, Pedrito & Busquets remain at Barca...They were bred here...Same as Pique and same as Cesc
Mes que en club
David Young replies:
The other reason Barca have such a large contingent of homegrown players that it is easy for them to cream off the best of Spanish talent when there are only two big teams in La Liga - both of whom seem to have unlimited spending power and can throw plenty of cash at the situation. Mind you, Barca's youth developent system can't have been that good otherwise they wouldn't have let Cesc leave in the first place.
Arsenal have to look further afield for young players because FA rules mean they can only bring British players to their academy who live within a 90-minute radius of Ashburton Grove. Effectively, this means Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham and all the other London clubs in the leagues below are fighting over the same pool of young players.
Despite this, the Gunners have arguably some of the brightest English prospects in the form of Jack Wilshere, Henri Lansbury, Emmanuel Frimpong, Craig Eastmond and Kyle Bartley. However, they still have to cast their net globally to ensure they have enough top class youngsters coming through.
It would be great to have a team packed with top-quality English players but it is becoming harder and harder to do that under current circumstances and in the game's current climate.
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Posted by Nathi on 05/18/2010
I think Barca are just taking advantage of the fact that they can tap players up and get away with it because they are indeed BARCELONA..which is sad because its unethical and it affects our players on and off the pitch...the spanish media is simply ridiculous and they just dont stop..i think fabregas will be a fool to leave because at barca he wont always play full games and might end up like henry and hleb..he should learn from their mistakes
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Posted by Lee Majella on 05/18/2010
The leap in quality Fabregas made last season was truly monumental. He showed how to lead a team both in his play and fighting spirit.
Losing Cesc would be devastating for more than the quality of his football: he is the heart and soul of the team now. Arsenal have no replacement for him for all those reasons. He must be convinced to stay.
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Posted by leroy on 05/18/2010
Its undeniable that how Fab has changed the face of Arsenal after the departure of Henry.Yes, a talent that was whiskered below the eyes of the catalan Giants.I'm gonna write this as a neutral and not a Barca fan.As i have actually kept a very close eye on this year Premier League its seems very sad of how the gunners season has closed.Yes its just a game to you and me, but to the one who is on the field he requires more.What Wenger wants to happen is so so far from what has happened and the rumors of Cesc leaving for Barca are bound to heat up cos everythin has fallen in place for the catalans.Goin absolutely flawless last year[trophy wise] who wud not want to join them.Its no doubt Arsenal will squeeze out every euro from Barca...but you How much will Arsenal fair in the Middle once he's gone???
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Posted by M.Wylie on 05/18/2010
If Cesc' departure comes to pass (heavens forbid), I cannot see a player on the squad to take his place as the "attacking" creative midfielder in 4-5-1. Nasri doesn't have the goal-scoring moxie to support a striker. Anyway, I don't like 4-5-1 for the Arsenal - plenty of our midfielders are not ambitious enough to get into the box, and think their remit expires at the edge of the penalty area anyway. I would prefer to spend sale proceeds on a world-class striker to partner RVP and go 4-4-2. Bentner will never be Bergkamp, but that's the kind of player and position I would see. Indeed, I think RVP could be excellent in that "Bergkamp" role, so a "spear-tip" forward (preferably with excellent arial ability) would be a most welcome addition - think of someone like Drogba. Is that what Chammakh brings to the table?
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Posted by Hassanlo on 05/18/2010
I dont care if cesc stays or not. Barca have cost arsenal cesc concentration on the field of play. So much distractions and distortions have come our way from barca on this issue. May be if we sold him to them we could at last get to move on. I belief so much in diaby and denilson. I dont fancy why people continue dishing out blames on this two. The problem with diaby is when there is a missing link, someone to the covering for him when he is away, he tends to the dual role of defending and also of pushing for attack. What we need now is someone in the class of lambard or essien that can do the dirty job of cleaning the mess in the midfield. Lambard, a strong character, clears the midfield of any insurgence and initiate the attack so that gives drogba the simple task of inflicting pain on the opponent. We surely need a strong character in that midfield and in the defense . Cesc to me has done is best so let him move on.
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Posted by Matt Lewan on 05/19/2010
Good Blog mate, I personally am sick of this Cesc to Barca talk, as I'm sure most of you are. I have actually come to accept Fabregas departure, although what I cannot accept is the fact that next time Arsene is to polish a rough diamond, the same fate awaits our club. If Cesc were to leave, Im confident Nasri and Ramsey will pull their weight, and Im also sure Diaby would offer a creative outlet. This said, we should not accept anything less than $45 Million for Fabregas, in which should immediately be re-invested in the shape of a supporting midfielder (Denilson does not deserve this place), a world class keeper (this position is not one where youth should be tried) and a world class centre back. $45 million should be more than enough to fill these holes. I also believe Eduardo should seek new pastures, and perhaps Nick B should be given a 'do or die' season with us. As you pointed out in this article Dave, there are too many players who have not earnt positions - this is problem #1.
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Posted by gooner on 05/19/2010
Player come and go, club stay on. Same also with Cesc Fab...who to blame if the club shown no ambitions to win any trophy..blame Wenger and the Board Director...just go and buy quality player to compliment the squad we have.
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Posted by NetBulger on 05/19/2010
If (big IF) Cesc goes, I think we'll see Robin move into the Bergkamp slot behind Chamakh and Arshavin. Arsene will buy Filipe Melo to add steel to the midfield (alongside Song, Denilson, Nasri) a new CB and a new keeper. AND buy Edin Hazard into the bargain.With 65M (Cesc); 25M (Ade), 16M (Kolo) and all of the property debt settled the future is Arsenal's NOT Barcelona's (in the two team Spanish League). Come on You Gunners - I love Cesc, but the club is much, much bigger!
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Posted by FCBarca on 05/19/2010
Cesc was always 'good' enough for Barca, David...You know this yet you wrote it...He was poached at an advantageous time in the election period with Laporta coming in 2003.
The line ahead of him with Iniesta & Xavi made it very clear to the young Catalan that his first team opportunities, at the time, were very limited...He'll slide into Keita's spot now.
Still, you cite purchasing power as the reason Cesc will come back yet easily ignore that RM (The greatest spender on the planet) has not cultivated much less endeared cantera loyalty...Pique came back cheap in comparison to what Cesc will but the reasoning remains the same, they have Barca DNA...Has little to do with money
As I have said and you have ignored, Mes que en club
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Posted by David Fitch on 05/19/2010
it would be natural for fabregas to return to his home and i wish him well. my only point would be that will he get the game time he has got with arsenal or will he spend more time on-the bench i think he is about 2 years from his best but i have enjoyed his play for arsenal and i thank him for that. as for arsenal after him, well there was an arsenal before him and there will be one after him. modern players play for money who they play for is not important except for the value it bring so if your team win your individual value increases if Spain win the world cup then all the Spanish players values will increase accordingly so arsenal should hold off till after the world cup.
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Posted by NKS on 05/19/2010
Thanks for your explanation, Young. I didn't know that the British Youth Academy system is like that.
Sincerely, i really hope that Fabregas is staying with Arsenal. Arsenal is now in the process of evolution from the Viera's generation, with Fabregas as the heart of it. i must admit that i m quite frustrated to see Mr. Wenger took 5 yrs to make the evolution a success, but i m really looking forward to this young Gunners, who are absolutely possessing great powers when they are mature enough, provided Mr. Wenger is willing to add in some experienced players to accelerate their growth rates.
So, Mr. Wenger, i can't wait to see the good transfers that you will do!
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Posted by Adam on 05/19/2010
Tom, I agree with the understudy but I think Ramsey is that person. I do think that unfortunately depends on how effective his recovery is. I do agree with the fact that Hleb and Henry both regret their decisions. Look at Hleb now. Never will be the same player. Flamini too. If he does leave it should be for about 80million euros. That way we can get any player almost we need to replace him.
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Posted by ruffnekk on 05/19/2010
I stated before that we are turning into a feeder club for Barca,i am sick to death of them i don't care how pretty their football is.Cesc needs to look at whats happend to players before him ie Henry,Hleb for example.I think he needs to prove himself at Arsenal yes he's a great player but someone tell me in what season did he show that he's the world best in his position,yeah best for Arsenal(not hard to do)but not world best.At Barca in the big games his best position will be the bench, keeping it warm.On top of this the spanish league is so Boring, i mean am i the only one who can predict that next season it will be between Barca and Real Madrid no i don't think so.How would either of those two do in the premeirship mmm...Anyhow good luck to him i'm sure his mrs won't mind picking the splinter's out of his arse in the sun.
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Posted by Siyaman on 05/19/2010
If there is any truth in Fabregas the Wenger should definately hold on to Frans Merida.
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Posted by ifeanyi udemezue on 05/19/2010
The problem is that Cesc may not even make the Barca first team if he goes, not with Xavi and Iniesta still in the club. Why then go for the sake of it. Hleb is a living example.The miserable time he has endured at Barca is all evident. Again, Cesc should not be ungrateful to Arsene for the trust and confidence he reposed in him. Arsene should begin now to prepare for life without Cesc in the event that he goes. I agree with Dave's summation that the midfielders should take on more defensive responsibilities. That way, the pressure on the defence is reduced. People like Diaby with a casual and nonchalant approach must be guided. By the way, does any body know how Ramsey is recovering? He may be the pesron to take over Cesc'c creative role in that midfield.
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Posted by peter on 05/19/2010
one worst thing with Arsene Wenger is that he is there to train young boys into men so that he can make more profits together with the Arsenal staff but nothing else do they think about fighting for trophies my dear fans pliz like the other clubs does to protect their player from leaving their clubs [ limited salary increase]
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Posted by Daniel on 05/19/2010
Great analysis from you David, The heart of Arsenal depend solely on Cesc Fabregas but I will advice Wenger to hold on to him for the next season. We need him this season so much, we, the Arsenal fan Love to see Fabregas on our colour again this season. Wenger should ignore all the noise from Barca news paper about the young man who he has taken time to build. He should also think deeply about his future in Barca
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Posted by ocgunner on 05/19/2010
I am always confused. We always have great potential and always seem to be one or two players away but we never make the signing. We always have pleasant surprises with the youth but we never have the strength in squad to maintain the battle the entire season. A big squad can withstand these trials. Arsene is a smart man but he has not played his cards wisely enough. Had he made the necessary moves over the past 3 years we would not talk about anyone poaching from Arsenal and we would not be talking of another year without trophies. The concept is fine but the model needs more glue. We have the youth but we need the solid role players who have the experience to withstand the yearlong battle.
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Posted by smart on 05/19/2010
well their is nothing wrong if fab leave arsenal soldier go soldier come barrack remain, if he eventually go new players will definately come, wenger shld try and place price tag nothing less than $40m with yaya toure. i wish him gud luck in his new club if the deal eventually goes through
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Posted by Ekwenjor Prince on 05/19/2010
Well, having completed the signing of David Villa from Valencia, Barcelona may have convinced us that a Fabregas move to the Camp Nou is just political now...at least with the likes of Iniesta and Xavi still hot, and Zlatan still there.
I hope Wenger has finally learnt from all these drama. Yes, he may not have been able to contain these onslaughts, but he would have nipped them in the bud if he'd listened to simple reason and logic by...well, i thought we've flogged the horse dead.
I remain a bottom-of-the-food-chain gunner, and I wish them all the best.
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Posted by David Chow on 05/19/2010
Unlike most Arsenal supporters, I am less disappointed and concerned about the Club ended in another trophyless season. My expectations of Arsenal for the next season are pretty modest -
a. Put up a good fight against strong teams. Strive for a close and level game. No school boy mistakes please.
b. Play consistently against the rest. Remain focused and spirited throughout the match, in particular during the injury time.
c. Cut down the small triangle passes in the penalty area and encourage Arsenal players to shoot as much as possible.
I don't think AW will give up his faith in his current youth squad and spend agressively to bring in matured world class players in the days ahead. If he manages to hold Fabregas for another season, he should endeavour to strenthen the midfield and defensive side, preferably in acoordance with what David has suggested in Part I.
By the way, David, what is your view about the future of Arshavin in Arsenal?
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Posted by Mwau on 05/19/2010
I agree that Fab is the heart of arsenal but the truth is that arsenal is older than all its players, he can just go. For the midfield, Nasri, Ramsey and Merida can do a perfect match. For a cut, we need not just to sell but AUCTION (Nick B, Eduardo, Sylvestor, Fabianski, Jourou) and may be Diaby, otherwise arsenal have enough players who dont have the "arsenals" to compete in any front. With the fall of the hammer in that business, then wenger will have a fat wallet to reinforce the squad
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Posted by Philip on 05/19/2010
Agree with much of the analysis -- except that I think Diaby is under-rated. He is strong going forward on the ball and in the air and, if the team adjusts its mindset on defense, he can be part of that adjustment.
As for Fab, unless and until he says he wants to leave, I won't beleive it. He has a position of leadership and responsibility and uses it well, event to convince the manager to loosen the purse strings! Early in the year, you asked who would stand up to the manager and make him listen. I think the answer is his captain.
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Posted by Filip on 05/19/2010
What I don't understand is how could you possibly leave when you invested seven years of your life in a project that's not finished? For what? Where is the sense of adventure? Barca played two meaningfull games last year in the league. They were expected to win ALL OTHERS. Arsenal, not even considering the points and the table, played six games against Pool, Chelsea and ManU, plus two games each against the Spuds and Man City, a newest rival. Maybe this is Cesc's plot to get Wenger to splash out for Torres. That's it! With Torres in the attack, there's no way Cesc would leave. Anyway, this really bummed me out...Fabre don't go...
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Posted by Phil on 05/19/2010
Excellent piece.
Overall, Cesc will leave - if not this year, but within two - and I still can't imagine why he's so eager to be a bit player. But, Barcelona today have shown they are out to build a strong Spanish team and Cesc is a key piece to that.
I'd feel a lot easier about it if it were not for Ramsey's injury. He was developing well and playing good football with the team. We can only hope he finds that when he returns - but as Eduardo has shown, we can't count on it.
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Posted by TopGooner on 05/19/2010
Arsenal fans won't like this but I'm wishing for Cesc to go. Simply because his is too good for the current Arsenal squad. Watching the games over the past couple seasons, I feel sorry for the lad that nobody else in the team is on the same level as he is. I'd imagine myself how frustrating it would be to play in a team where everyone is a class below.
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Posted by Sever on 05/19/2010
I for one would be very upset if Walcott leaves. Yes he's inconsistent, but he can be devastating at his best, particularly as an impact sub. And the guy is only 21 for God's sake. Remember how he mauled Barca at the Grove?
As for Fabregas, there's two ways to look at this.
1) If he's distracted and not fully committed, let him go and use the money to strengthen the squad. Psychology is vital in football, and one could argue that Arsenal have been underperforming due to internal tensions, like Gallas vs Nasri or Adebayor's issues last season. We don't need another transfer drama.
2) Losing him to Barca would be yet another setback akin to letting Flamini and Hleb go, a setback that will take at least a season to recover from, costing us trophies AND cementing Arsenal's reputation as a selling club. It will devastate Wenger's prestige and fans will finally lose patience.
All I'll say is: if Fabregas goes Wenger had better bring replacements.
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Posted by Wengerite on 05/19/2010
I've been saying this for years as well. God forbid Cesc leaves, we need yaya Toure in return and somebody like Eden Hazard or Ozil becomes a must
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Posted by syro on 05/19/2010
whether cesc will shine at barca or not is not an issue.I love cesc but if he thinks its time to move on,he should be allowed to move.the lad has already done enough for the club and its not his problem that arsenal hasnt won trophies,balme it on luck,transfer policy,the manager.besides no player is bigger than the club and every player has a price provided they want to go.
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Posted by Sad Gooner on 05/20/2010
Arsenal is remodeling itself like Ajax, sad but true produced talented young player then sold for profit..the club has lost his soul..Only kids are playing for glory in a Man game...stupid or silly that you got to ask Messr Wenger..
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Posted by Anntonii on 05/20/2010
It's kinda sad but we are looking more like a "breeder" club for clubs like Barcelona & Manchester City..
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Posted by Maran on 05/20/2010
Whether with Fab or without Fab,there were frailties in midfield that needed to be fixed. The need for midfielders to collectively provide the defensive shield was one lesson illustrated by Barca and one that was Arsenal's main weakness. Firstly, we need a player to protect the back four. Second, midfield has to work hard on winning the ball and defending when they are not attacking. In this respect,it is apparent that Diaby, Denilson and Rosicky will not provide the answers. Walcott has time. I agree that Wishere and Ramsey will provide part of it. We may still need to invest in one or two players. As for Fab, it was fabulous having him in the team. He had the quality, but more importantly he made up for the weakness of the rest in midfield. If we can shore up the midfield as a unit, it will mitigate the loss of Fab. But his move was always on the cards. Arsene was solely responsibile for Fab's growth at Arsenal, but he will also be responsible for Fab's departure if it comes true.
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Posted by David Dale on 05/20/2010
I agree with all the comments but love a left field scenario. If Fabregas goes to Barca, I fancy any of the suggestions as a central midfield partner for TH14 who could return as makeweight (free) and a bit slower than when he left. He has skill and a superb football brain. Partnered with any of the youngsters, it would be awesome.
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Posted by Maran on 05/20/2010
As for Barcelona, the tag of playing beautiful game had also masked their "dirty" play. They have a tendency to do it so well on, and off the field.
Besides playing, they also dive, charge at the referee to get free kick and to draw the cards. Sounds familiar? Sometimes I wonder whether they are Chelsea in disguise.
Off the field they use under hand tactics to unsettle other players. What Barca players and staff do to lure Fab is nothing less than what a a soliciting prostitute does. How ironical it is for Barca players longing for Fab to return home to endanger their own places in Barca? The sentimental storyline created by Barca of the adopted son must return to the "real parent" is nothing less than a third grade Bollywood flick. What is Barca without the money politics? If their youth system is so good, why must they hunt for players elsewhere? I bet even if Fabregas came from Arsenal youth academy, the Barca mafia would have done the same. It is a shameful act for a good team.
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Posted by Z Man on 05/20/2010
If Fabregas leaves, it will a big blow to our team, but we can deal with it if we get Toure out of it and 45 mil. Also, we can bully Bordeaux too just like Barca does, and get Gourcuff so he can team up with Chamakh at Arsenal. He could be a solution for a few years while Whilshire and Lansbury come up to play with him.
I wouldn't mind seeing Rosicky, Almunia, Fabianski, Gallas, Sivelstre, Eduardo, and even Arshavin leave for more money and we could get Joe Hart, Per Mertesacker, and maybe players like Eden Hazard, and Ashley Young. And maybe besides Gourcuff, if we get all these players it will convince Fabregas that we are serious about winning titles, and he could stay.
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Posted by dammy on 05/20/2010
i think your analysis is good.but i think whether fabrigas gos or not ,wenger needs to sign at list four players to compliment those guys on ground.two at attack.one in midfield and one at the defence.i wish arsenal best of luck for next season.
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Posted by Kiddie on 05/20/2010
Fabregas....dont go....as a big Arsenal fan, i really hope Fabs will stay at the Gunners. yes, as a footballer, u r getting old. one they u will come down.. even in 1 day or 1 week u can go down. but what Fabs did for this season, was "AMAZING"...he is the key factor for arsenal to keep challenging for the title.. when he is out injured, Arsenal midfield was Sucks.. Song is very good, Nasri also good but lack consistency. Walcot?...huh...a great pace, but unable tp read the game and somewhat a stupid player..No Crossing skills..only know how to run and get his speed works..Arshavin was great,and also Vermaelen...The best defender in Premiere League for this season... Goalkeeper...all fuck shit...especially fabianski........he is sucks......Anyway, Wenger...dont be stupid this season/...dont want the Black memory at JJB stadium to be happen again this season....
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Posted by john on 05/20/2010
I agree with some part of what Z Man said but disagree with him on some........to be honest i'm not sure whether we will be there in the league of "big four" if(and i mean it)Fab leaves us for Barca. but still even if he goes off to Barca we cannot afford to let him go cheaply and the price should be somewhere 45 to 55 and that too with yaya or some other player(established one) and pls dont take Zlatan, we already have a big mouth in Bendtner!!!
on the other hand, we have to buy not just couple of player but have to offload not one or two but i believe at leat 4 to 5 among them would be Fabianski(even if not any one of the club is buying him then just give him as a charity lol), Eduardo, Almunia, Silvestre and if romours are to be believe we can exchange Clichy for Bojan(everyone knows of what he is capable of) i must also admit that player like Fab are born once in time and cannot afford to think that either wilshare or some one else can fill his both so why dont we buy Gourcuff?
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Posted by A gunner on 05/20/2010
i hope fabregas goes and goes quickly, so arsenal can move on. 1 player doesn't make a team, 11 players make a team. so come on wenger buy a few players and prove those ppl WRONG!!!
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Posted by kamal gooner on 05/20/2010
FCBarca.. i would like to reiterate what david young trying to say.. what he means that in the modern football, clubs more often buy into success, than really breed their own.. now, barca is a somewhat a different story, but why do u have to take heart from it? have you ever thought that david young might talk bout chelsea, real, city or even inter? think bout it FCBarca.. i enjoy barca, in fact i claim them as my 2nd fav team.. but u r misunderstand what mr. young trying to say.. even the man u team right now are mostly not from their academy.. only rafael, fletcher are from their acad.. of course other than their old guards (giiggs, scholes). rooney was bought for close to 30 mill from everton, berba, carrick, rio, valencia, van der sar are from other english clubs, whereas nani, vidic, and evra from other foreign clubs.. although we have to acknowldge players like gibson n macheda.. wat david n im trying to say that most clubs nowadays buy into success, may not always b barca,
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Posted by Speechless Gooner on 05/21/2010
What has Wenger created now is his own disillussion game planned that hit him back. The idea are good but must be practical and logical. You need to develop young player but not to put them 6 or 7 in palying team .It's totally stupid we call it kids team. A team is only needed 2 or 3 kids. Kids are age between 17 to 21. Mature players are betweeen 22 to 26. Football is Man game need Man to win a game not kids. End up selling young player to make profit w/out winning trophies. What a Crap.
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Posted by Roland on 05/21/2010
Gosh I miss the Tony Adams, Nigel Winterburn...days, where Arsenal defence is a great wall of England.
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Posted by mraziz on 05/21/2010
great analysis and comment from you all..
for me Fab is great player..i hope Fab stay in team for another season..Fab you captain!
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Posted by olisa on 05/21/2010
If cese go the blame will be on wenger he is the pomble we are haveing now he cant buy player let him go and buy 4 or 5 good players with them arsenal will yet what they want 5 years now we have not won anything this is a big shame for us if i have to say let wenger go out of arsenal look at chelsea and inter they have a very good coach and good players they spend money to yet what they want let wenger spend money and yet what we want pls for cese he is a good player for us i will like to see him next season thk.
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Posted by olisa on 05/21/2010
If cese go the blame will be on wenger he is the pomble we are haveing now he cant buy player let him go and buy 4 or 5 good players with them arsenal will yet what they want 5 years now we have not won anything this is a big shame for us if i have to say let wenger go out of arsenal look at chelsea and inter they have a very good coach and good players they spend money to yet what they want let wenger spend money and yet what we want pls for cese he is a good player for us i will like to see him next season thk.
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Posted by anthony on 05/21/2010
David,your comments are thought provoking and u just know fow to pull ure readers into becoming good analyst.
Should Fab go, do you think AW will really invest the proceeds?
Clearly AW do'nt believe in bringing talented players to Arsenal but rather to build young players into the Arsenal way.Hello an economist thought pattern is totally different and thats AW.If June ends and some tallented players are not in then forget it.Vermaleen came early and so is Chamach, watch it.AW is totally comitted to his youth policy and i dont think he is about to Change whether Fab goes or not.Surely i'd like to see a mid feilder in the mould of Essien or Yaya T in the middle but AW,AW...
Continue to provoke us with those thoughts.
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Posted by to_gooner on 05/21/2010
I think Fab will stay, but only for 1 more year. I think it will be like Ronaldo, vieira, henry. They almost leave one year, and are gone the next. I think he will stay for one. AW seems to make a deal with some players, stay for 1 year and then if you want to go, you can (Vieira, Cole, Henry). It would be sad to lose another captain of the club. If he does go, then my hope is Ramsey comes back and can regain form. (Might take a while). As for other analysis, certainly Rosicky and Walcott could go without much anguish. Often injured, often inconsistent. Diaby and Denilson I think are ok as squad players. Denilson gets a lot of stick, but he did score about 4 or 5 from outside the box this year. He is not top quality though. Personally I think AW will keep them all. I think we need another 1st choice DM in addition to Song. I think our 4-3-3 is not working with the lightweights (small) players. We concede too many and some of this is down to tactics. Is there a part 3 (on strikers)?
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Posted by kamalgooner on 05/21/2010
mr. david young.. i was thinking, let say fab do go. and arsenal get 40 plus million pounds.. should wenger spend it on the liverpool boys such as gerrard, torres, and reina.. they all provide experience as well as world class. people keep on talking bout another striker, midfielder, and keeper.. but all the names mention, have not include any of the three. arsenal provides champions league and more stability compare to liverpool. should wenger do it? plz let me how u feel mr young as well as other gooners out there.. wat do u think of buying torres, gerrard and reina?
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Posted by Precious Osegi on 05/22/2010
Gunner for lyfe
The tought of Fab leaving has always been to eveident to the discerning. The fact that Arsenal has not won trophies is the simple answer and the fact that AW and his board has refused to buy atleast 2 world class players has cost up trophies. If Fab does not go he will be playing for us but his heart will be with Barca, so let him go. Since Barca wants him they should be made to pay for it. AW should negotiate with them $100m and we can spend it on players like STeven Gerald, Toure and Torres and fight for Trophy next year. Fab however, should ask himself that ultimate questioon "Is it better for me to be one of the soldiers in the club of the moment or the general in a club that will definately come good soon" His decision will tell us which he chooses.
- Precious Osegi
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Posted by Trint on 05/22/2010
In regards to the Diaby, Denilson, Rosicky, Walcott my choices would be Walcott and Denilson. I think Diaby tends to play well when not tasked with purely defensive duties. When given the 'Song' role he tends to fail. Denilson does all things at a '6' all the time in my opinion. Theo could generate some cash to an EPL rival as everyone overpays for English talent but he is injury prone and doesn't fit the system.
Sell Denilson and Theo and either bring an exceptional talent and/or promote Ramsey and Wilshere.
But last season did show that the squad is thin when injuries hit.
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Posted by Avik Singh on 05/22/2010
I completely agree with what David has said.Infact with an addition of more steel in a DM,CB with replacements & a GK arsenal should be a far better team.Nicklas Bendtner should be given more playtime and with Chamakh,RVP and NB the attacking formation is complete.Arsenal should keep eduardo as a quality back up is required & a season wihtout key injuries would help.Diaby and Denislon sould be given replacement roles or offloaded...Melo would be a good choice as a partner for Song..whether or Fab goes or not is a big question..i believe he is loyal and the very fact that nothing has come out as an official statement reflects the point.he will have a difficulty in the Barca squad and wont be the same fab as he is to arsenal.but if he goes then an effective replacement is required...Nasri is blossoming but cannot control that area...but he will be different player next season..few additions of quality like vermalen are signed then the EPL trophy will be ours.Proud to be a GOONER..
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Posted by R on 05/22/2010
pls dun let fran merida move to altetico madrid!!!!
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Posted by M.Haney on 05/23/2010
If Cesc's heart is in Barcelona he has to go, I hate to say it but you cannot have someone who's heart is somewhere else. I would love to see Yoann Gourcuff go to Arsenal, I think he would be a perfect fit with Chamakh already there. I agree with Eden Hazard or Ashley Young coming in to replace Rosicky and maybe even Joe Cole to beef up the midfield. I would love to see Cesc stay, but even if he does leave we can make a good outcome of it. Just remember Barca did this same thing to Thierry Henry, using the media to cause panic every summer to Arsenal fans, however Wenger was able hold on to him for four seasons before the move and they were the best seasons of his career.
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Posted by chris on 05/23/2010
does anyone really think arsene wenger or the board care about what the fans say or do as long as we keep making them profits. think about it there are only three players in the team that are worth anything and the most valueble one is about to leave while the other two are either returning from injury or still injured. why else would they charge fans for some of the most expensive tickets in footballto go and watch a team of under achievers. i reckon arsene is already planning how he is going to tell fans about why he feels the current squad is strong enough and how he already has a replacement for cesc in order to justify why he hasnt splashed out in the transfere market.
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Posted by Zach on 05/23/2010
As others like Z Man have said...
If Fabregas wants to leave, let him go. I don't want him to, but if that's his choice, so be it. Sell him for every euro/pound he's worth.
His direct replacement should be Yoann Gourcuff. No questions asked. It would be lovely if we could get him before the World Cup, because he's going to do well and his stock is going to rise greatly (this is where Barca, Real, Chelsea, Man Utd enter the picture).
And as others have said, Eden Hazard would be an amazing addition to the squad. He's everything Wenger likes: very young, tenacious, and not English :)
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Posted by Donkey Kong on 05/24/2010
Good analysis. I dont think we will or should sell Cesc this season though. He is still young and has many years left on his contract. Even a Cesc that doesnt have his head at the right place will play better than any potential replacement we can find at this time. Plus it is vital that we keep him to state our ambitions. Selling Cesc now will end nexts seasons title challenge before it even has begun.
I also think it is vital that we bring in another defensive-minded midfielder. We rely on Song too much. If he is injured we are pretty much completely lacking tackling power in the midfield. It could also be a good idea to play to players in centre midfield that can tackle well against top teams. We were embarresed defensively against top teams last season. For example our tackling ratio versus United at the Emirates was criminally low.
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Posted by Ash on 05/24/2010
Cesc was that good for arsenal so let him go.
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Posted by Mustapha Sola on 05/24/2010
There is no time Cecs will not leave, we should start thinking of who to fill his position. The problem we have was building the team on one player which is Fab. How i wish Merida is retain and allow him to step into fab role he is a player a big heart but denied much playing time due to the presence of Fab. We should brace up for Fab exit and persuaded Merida to stay and take up the role of Fab. Diaby, Denilson and ong are eaually good but Fab is better due to hia ability to locate player with his intelligent pass. Wenger please keep Merida
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Posted by yank on 05/24/2010
I love Fab, but Wenger is the heart and sole of Arsenal. Losing cesc would be bad, but losing Arsene would be a disaster. I love the way he tries to build a team from youth and teach them to actually play football. Arsenal are the most exciting team in the world to watch and I hope they never change their philosophy. Don't get to greedy about trophies, things could be a lot worse. You all are so lucky to have have a team like Arsenal.
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Posted by Patrick on 05/25/2010
In order to post a serious title challenge, get a world class goalkeeper, the blunders of almunia & fabianski are not up for the challenge against united & chelsea.
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Posted by collins on 05/25/2010
great analysis david...i'll be sad if fab leaves but what can we the fans do about that?AW should stop taking us for granted and maybe we should all agree on something right now b4 the season begins.with or without fab...if Aw does not sign a strong and established figure..then i'd like us to all stay in our houses and refuse the urge to go to the stadium so they(AW and the board)will know that the club belongs to the fans too.come on guys if we pay so much to see our team play then the people making decisions should listen to us for once.fab should go for as much as 50million+yaya toure b4 we agree a deal.
we all know how good eduardo was b4 his injury so we cant bank on ramsey right now.almunia,sylvestre,fabiansky and walcott can go.manone should be given more playing time!!
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Posted by laism on 05/25/2010
those who are too concern about tropies pl recall the 30 yrs before 1971 when Arsenal had been empty-handed. Arsenal is now being one of the most entertaining team in soccer nad that's a pride for all gooners(I took this name 40 years ago). AW's approach to build an young team with a strict budget is reasonable. I don't want the team I supported changed to teams like RM and Man C which were built around pound/euro. If Fab wants to go, let it be. Just squeeze every penny he worth from Barca and be a financially health team. Once the UEFA takes the approach of controlled salary ceiling for European teams, gooners will be the King of the new era.
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Posted by Anonymous on 05/25/2010
Imagine Chelsea having a slightly different season. Drogba goes down with an injury in mid-Nov and doesn't return until mid-April. Lampard is lost to injury for 11 league games including the final 6 of the run in. Terry goes down and misses 12 league games. Malouda is injury-hit all season and only plays 23 league games, often only as a sub. Mikel goes down to a season-ending injury in February. In that hypothetical season, if they finished with only 11 fewer points than what they actually got to win the title, wouldn't we all say it was just bad luck with injuries and that otherwise they could have won it all? Would we say they need to panic? So why all the gloom and doom with Arsenal when we have such a season? Hopefully Cesc will realize that and stay to see how we do with a fit squad.
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Posted by jiminy cricket on 05/25/2010
If Fabregas goes, than Arsenal should wring Barca of every penny they've got. Fabregas is better than Kaka, and Real Madrid paid 70 million pounds for Kaka last year. Barca should have to pay more than that if they want Fabregas. Arsenal should accept nothing less, especially since Fabregas still has 4 years left on his contract.
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Posted by eugene ubi on 05/26/2010
fab certainly will move if not dis season maybe next,what however remains to b seen is how arsene wenger tinkers his team from there.i'l like to see d exit of rosicky,silvestre,fabiansky,n troury.however keep almunia for contingencies. get a new experinced cb,dm,gkp,strk,n give more playing time to ramsey whn fit,wilshere,vela n betnar,reduce diffensive duties on diaby,let danilson,estmond n eduardo go on loan to get more playing time n regular first team football experience n a general overhaul in tactics depending on games,while paying attention to more precise passing of d ball,difending whn not on d ball n killing off games wit great urgency,finally staying consistent in fighting spirit n winning mentality all tru d season.all dis i think will put a cap on d already built sructure for success @ d emirates.
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Posted by asaph opio on 05/27/2010
Thanks for your analysis David. I highly believe Cesc won't be with the Gunners for the new season. I have taken a great depth of looking into player statistics for various clubs, the one particular area being the physical aspect. Clearly Arsenal needs a kind of a "bull" in the midfield, one in the folds of Essien and Muntari, so being linked to a Stephen Mbia is just great news, the lad stands at [187cm,81kg]. Pairing him with Song stops a Rooney or Drogba from staring straight in our bedroom or CB. Do me a favour David, convince AW into signing these guys in addition, Laurent Koscielny[185,75] and Gary Cahill[188,73] as CBs, Jagielka is a bit short, aerial threats no more. To prove what am saying, take a look at Rio, Terry, Vidic, Carvalho, Brown and Alex. Post 188 such as Senderos, Zat Knight, Samba and Diaby tend to be less robust, lazy and sluggish. Sell Gallas, Djourou, Senderos. About Melo, his deal failed last season. Diaby and Denilson to make changes off the subs bench.
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Posted by bully on 05/27/2010
as much as cesc has barca 'dna', his phenomenal rise would not have bn possible sittin in barca reserves. no doubt he would eventualy b world class but not at the age he is now. cesc owes arsene wenger for wat he is, if nt loyalty to the club, his loyalty to wenger should keep him around a while longer....i hope
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Posted by AmericanGunnerFan on 05/29/2010
Whether Fabregas stays or goes is key. AW may be able to convince him to stay another year, but after constantly being roughed up and getting injured, it's hardly surprising that Cesc would find the lower taxes and less physical style of play in Spain more attractive. Don't dismiss the fact that he, like other Barca players mentioned, is a Catalan as being part of why Barca is so attractive to him and other Catalan players.
The injury to Ramsey hurts because he and Wilshire were being groomed to replace Fab. Nasri's OK, but doesn't have the ability to be dominant. Wilshire will be good, but needs more seasoning. Denilson might actually be better in an offensive role. Diaby has talent but is too inconsistent. A playmaker is needed if Fab goes.
Song can become a dominant DM but needs a quality deputy-the team plays too many games for him to play all of them. AW needs to bring in a really solid DM to rotate with Song.
IMHO, if Fab goes, AW needs to add a playmaker and a solid DM.
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Posted by Wengerite on 06/24/2010
Based on what I've seen ( or not seen I should say ) in South Africa, I think Cesc will be back next season. He has gotten a taste of sitting behind Xavi, Iniesta and even Busquets and I don't see how that would change. One player who has been very impressive for me is Marek Hamsik from Napoli / Slovakia. I would LOVE to see him at the Emirates next season.
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Posted by bobbys on 07/05/2010
cesc will be an arsenal player for the 2010/11 season i am 100% convinced of that BARCELONA are not going to pay the kind of money that would be required and i am convinced that wenger and cesc descussed this before hand as well.
here is how i think it went wenger to cesc son if you want to go to barcelona you have my blessings but let me proove to you a simple point, here at arsenal you are guaranteed a starting position heck you are our captain! now if barca are really interested in you for a starting position on their team then they would have no problem paying 40 mill for you however if they even offer a bid less than this you know where they see you fitting in right son? and with that cesc looked at wenger and said theres a reason why you are the greatest manager that ever lived. they want me then i will go if they pay if they offer stupidness i will stay and make them regret their decision for surely after next season when we win trophies they will be required to pay loads more
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Posted by Julat John on 07/16/2010
Up gunners. my comment about fabregas is to stay at arsenal squad
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Posted by Talib Ismail on 09/09/2010
Dear Arsenal Fans worldwide
i m arsenal fan too hehehe
what i told here before when the window is open now is happen to arsenal team... walcot , RVP,Nasri, soon idiot Cesc will injured this to proof that he is not keen to be in arsenal team for this season. Look at at idiot spanish when he gat injured he dying for spanish team to get in the line up but when come to arsenal need him for all games he always injured. strange , all this happen when idiot wenger keep him this season . we shall sell him for 35 pound and get 2 world class midfield or get back free Helb back to Arsenal why not? like chambel last season. we could have buy Ven Der Vart and good gola keeper too. then sure arsenal team will be fit for title challange ...now we are ahead of problems in 3 week believe me our team and the manager is not Champion Material for this season just to blame Idiot french Wenger ...very upset loosing betting now on arsenal
cheerr
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Posted by parbat thapa on 09/30/2010
I'm 1oo% confident that Febrigas will play and have great achievement for the great team Arsenal.Thus he is one of the key to blast any com competition.He always gave his best performance and i think he is gifted for Arsenal to prove next premier league.If he left Arsenal then it will suffer from more qualities player."ARSENAL SHOULD PAY ANYAMOUNT FOR SUCH GREAT PLAYER".And best of luck for up coming challenges.
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